glorydaz
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Says the man who refuses to engage with those he can't bully. :nono:
Who will answer my questions?
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Says the man who refuses to engage with those he can't bully. :nono:
oatmeal
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Having read the record and having been taught the record from Acts that you shared, will you elaborate as to how that answers my questions?
How does that support your statement, "One must fully believe in the divinity of Christ"???
Where in that verse is Jesus Christ referred to as "Godman"?
I am glad you brought up the record from John 20:28, for the reason that the book of John was written is stated clearly in John 20:31
"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
Was scripture written that we might believe that Jesus is "Godman" or in the divinity of Christ?
No, it was not. Scripture was written that we might believe that Jesus is the Christ, (the anointed, see Acts 10:38, who anointed Jesus of Nazareth?) the son of God.
If we are to believe that the jubilant cry of Thomas "my lord and my god" is proof that Jesus is literally God, then how much more should we believe God's statement in Exodus 7:1 that Moses is God.
"And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet."
Was God wrong to state that Moses is a god?
God is right to state that Moses is a god because Moses is a god because God made Moses to be a god.
Do you believe that God is right? Did God make Moses a god?
Do you trust God more than Thomas if you had to choose between them?
Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!”
Just do not attempt to sell me Jewish belief is also Christian belief. The written law was the reason they demanded the crucified Jesus, for you Jesus never raised himself from the dead. You know, the written words of the Priest in Jeweish tests was held above Jesus and you still believe.
Just do not attempt to sell me Jewish belief is also Christian belief. The written law was the reason they demanded the crucified Jesus, for you Jesus never raised himself from the dead. You know, the written words of the Priest in Jeweish tests was held above Jesus and you still believe.
oatmeal
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Yes, it does make sense to me for there are commandments in the law of Moses and there commandments in the epistles of Paul.
Both are commandments.
So, since the law of Moses says we should love God, but we are no longer under the law of Moses for righteousness does that mean we no longer have to love God?
Oh, I asked you that already!
Really? you cannot learn anything from the law except that you are guilty?
I learn what I fulfill by walking by the spirit, ie, being led by the spirit of God and by loving others.
That is not the source of guilt but of great joy on my part for who could claim, other than the perfect man that God sent, to have fulfilled the law?
When I walk in love being led by the spirit of God there is tremendous joy in my heart!
False dichotomy? Then why do you still believe that adultery is wrong since you are no longer under the law?
Actually in the last half of your post, I believe that you and I are on the same page, basically. You say it different than I would but that is your style of speaking and my style of speaking do not use the same vocabulary.
oatmeal
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We had this conversation ten years ago when you were somewhat more open-minded, now you are determined to resist all and any attempt to make you see, not believing in j=Jesus and Lord and God, just aint Christian.
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God's Truth
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No, we just have a body and a spirit. Our living body is called a soul. Our spirit is who we are. Our body is our tent for our spirit.
In 1 Thessalonians. we can see that God will sanctify us through and through, our whole spirit (spirit without a body), soul (spirit and body together), and our body (with or without our spirit/dead or alive). God truly sanctifies us through and through.
God's Truth
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The scripture is about Jesus.
oatmeal
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Well, like I said, my thread is aptly titled.
"Who will answer my questions?"
Clearly not you.
Reminiscing is not answering my questions.
If you read my thread and posts back then, I think you would have found the same verses I use now. But over the years I have learned more verses that reaffirm what scriptures teach about Jesus. That he is not "God the Son" but the son of God
And you and other trinitarians keep telling me that if I don't believe what you believe, that I am not a Christian
Has anyone showed me a scripture that says that?
Has anyone showed a scripture where God uses trinitarian terms like "trinity, triune, fully God/fully man, Godman, hypostatic union, second person of the blessed trinity, God the Son" ?
No, God does not tell us to use those terms to describe himself.
So why use them?
In all God's wisdom and clarity and completeness in presenting truth in scripture, why does He not use those terms?
Why won't you answer my questions?
oatmeal
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You used this verses to show that God the Father became flesh
Now you say it refers to Jesus being spirit.
Who is it about?
Have you made up your mind yet?
oatmeal
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Jesus Christ did not raise himself from the dead, for Jesus was dead when God raised him from the dead.
If Jesus was alive to raise himself from the dead than Jesus was not dead but alive.
If Jesus did not die, then he did not die, and then it is a false claim that he died for our sins if in fact he did not die.
He cannot have died for our sins and yet be alive at the same time.
He no more raised himself from dead than the believers who are asleep in Jesus, ie, dead, shall rise up from the dead of their own accord as stated in I Thessalonians 4:16 "... the dead in Christ shall rise first" It reads that the dead in Christ shall rise first. How do you explain that? Are they going to rise from the dead because we are God? or is there some other explanation?
No one receives the gift of salvation by believing that Jesus raised himself, one of the two prerequisites is that we believe that God raised him from the dead, not that he raised himself Romans 10:9-10
Why doesn't Romans 10:9 not require that we believe that Jesus raised Jesus from the dead?
oatmeal
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If the dead are not really dead, then why would the need a body to be raised that they evidently have lived happily without in heaven for maybe thousands of years?
What is the point of a resurrection if no one is dead?
If they are not dead but alive why doesn't scripture say, "they are not really dead, some klutz did some typos and put in the word dead when I really meant alive"
What is the point of a resurrection if no one is dead?
If they are not dead but alive why doesn't scripture say, "they are not really dead, some klutz did some typos and put in the word dead when I really meant alive"
God's Truth
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Our bodies are taken from us because of sin. We will be given new bodies. How do you miss that in the scriptures?
God's Truth
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You are very confused.
There is one Spirit.
God the Father is that one Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is that one Spirit.
Jesus is that one Spirit.
All humans have a spirit.
Jesus came as a human.
His spirit is the Spirit of God.
Elia
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Bs"d
Miracles are no proof:
So we see in the above post that the NT introduces another man-god.
And since we know that there is only one God, Y-H-W-H, therefore we know that the NT leads to idolatry:
“If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for Y-H-W-H your God is testing you to know whether you love Y-H-W-H your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after Y-H-W-H your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from Y-H-W-H your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which Y-H-W-H your God commanded you to walk. So you shall put away the evil from your midst.
If anyone secretly entices you—even if it is your brother, your father’s son or your mother’s son, or your own son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your most intimate friend—saying, “Let us go worship other gods,” whom neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 any of the gods of the peoples that are around you, whether near you or far away from you, from one end of the earth to the other, 8 you must not yield to or heed any such persons. Show them no pity or compassion and do not shield them. 9 But you shall surely kill them; your own hand shall be first against them to execute them, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 Stone them to death for trying to turn you away from Y-H-W-H your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 11 Then all Israel shall hear and be afraid, and never again do any such wickedness."
Deut 13
oatmeal
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Could you share the scripture that teaches that?
oatmeal
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Not at all, could you elaborate?
Which is it?
There are many spirits, God who is the Holy Spirit and God gave to us of His spirit, I John 4:13 and there are evil spirits called devils
Only humans that have done Romans 10:9 have received the gift of salvation/eternal life spirit, holy spirit, the rest are body and soul only, known as the natural man.
Since God gave to us of His spirit just like He did for his son we have the same potential as Jesus Christ!
Spiritually speaking that is.
Which is how we can fulfill John 14:12
popsthebuilder
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So we are in agreement so far according to this post I am responding to.
Now; please don't let my words confuse you due to my poor execution.
We both know Jesus was a man. But the spirit that was in that man; did He have it upon conception? Was that spirit the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit being synonymous with the spirit of Jesus the man as he walked the earth doesn't make the man Jesus synonymous with the One Creator GOD, it does show that there is one Spirit, and that spirit utterly filled the vessel and temple that was the man Jesus.
I agree that division between man and GOD should remain understood, but there is no difference in the soul of the man Jesus as He lived in a mortal body, and the spirit of GOD, except for the limits of the mortal vessel in my....opinion.
Can you conclude that what I have stated is a least plausible?
peace
popsthebuilder
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Not all christians believe in the same manner if you hadn't heard. It is a sure sign of the misdirection of the masses.
Oatmeal has the right to the term christian just as much as you or me or any other who confesses belief in the Christ of GOD.
popsthebuilder
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Christ being the Spirit of GOD doesn't make the man Jesus the literal utter fullness of GOD as a man.
Christ means anointed by GOD. Why would GOD anoint GOD?
further; why would the eternal GOD demand GOD (spirit) to be a blood sacrifice to GOD, and how does that bring one closer to GOD when they believe it? How is that belief effectual in one's life?
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