Right, through disease or defect, out of what is natural.
Lets stick with the real definition of it. No one chooses it. They are or they are not.
No, because they are what is by nature, instead of nurture, or disease or defect.
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Right, through disease or defect, out of what is natural.
Lets stick with the real definition of it. No one chooses it. They are or they are not.
No, because they are what is by nature, instead of nurture, or disease or defect.
Arthur Brain
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Sometimes nature deals that hand.
It's not a one dimensional thing or as simple as that.
Or they're just naturally born homosexual.
Which is what i said already, through disease/defect.
Yes, its as simple as that when you are talking about the actual thing.
And some people are born without arms, does that change the natural function of an arm?
Yet again, already mentioned disease/defect.
Arthur Brain
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Fair enough, it's a rough hand to be dealt.
The actual 'thing' can be multifaceted and different from person to person but okay.
No, it doesn't change the function of an arm, a leg or any other limb.
So at least you don't argue that people choose homosexuality then like others have, although if it is a 'disease' it's one that they can and should be able to live with without any bother or prejudice.
No, i also believe *some* people do choose it, deliberately, as well as to it being through a nurture problem in some people or even birth defect in some.
I do not believe its one size fits all "choices", different people, different factors in play.
Just like some people "choose" other fetishes.
Arthur Brain
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How? How can you 'choose' to act on an attraction that simply isn't there? You're better off sticking to the argument of it being a natural defect than this position. If you're heterosexual there's nothing remotely appealing about intimacy with the same gender. If there is you're not straight. Fetishes and lusts etc aren't really applicable as heterosexuals have plenty of those but only in regards to the opposite sex.
Do you think a person chooses to be a kleptomaniac or a sleepwalker?
You are arguing against one size fits all, yet complaining when i agree one size doesnt fit all.
Sure there is if one conditions themselves through nurture means to be a sex maniac who needs another thrill for example.
For some its a fetish, whether you like to believe it or not, ask some. Some will openly admit its for thrill.
Arthur Brain
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No.
In terms of alcoholism yes. In terms of heterosexuality it's pretty much defined as it is, which is why I identify as one.
Um, no. It's not like pornography changes orientation via gratification or thrill or seeking out sexual liasions do the same. If you're straight then any of that 'thrill' is going to inform the opposite sex. If not then bisexuality comes into play.
Well if someone can get 'turned on' by both sexes then as above really. If you're straight you can't.
She can't. Since it's a natural defect it's well...natural; from God...etc. She has to be able to beat the un-natural beast to death with her natural
bible (via precepts thereof).
genuineoriginal
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It is likely your "No True Scotsman" argument is deeply rooted in homophobia.
annabenedetti
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It's a fact that you're wrong.
genuineoriginal
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Sexual perversion of any sort appears to be easy for people to fall into, which is why there are so many warnings against it in the Bible.
Since it is so easy for people to fall into sexual perversions, many people try to justify this defect in character by claiming it is natural.
The character flaw of homosexual perversion is just as natural as theft, rape, and murder.
genuineoriginal
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genuineoriginal
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Yes, yes, we all know that you are the biggest supporter of homosexual perversions out of anyone that claims to be a Christian on this site.
1 Corinthians 6:18 18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. |
That includes homosexual perversions.
annabenedetti
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You speak for all bigots now? Good to know. And your opinion hasn't meant a thing to me since I found out you have no issue with adolescent brides or shooting someone over property theft.
genuineoriginal
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The Bible supports adolescent brides, like Mary the mother of Jesus, and shooting someone over property theft.
The Bible condemns homosexual perversions.
Looks like you hate what the Bible supports and love what the Bible condemns.
You know, you still have time to repent.
Huckleberry
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If that is so, then how do you explain ancient Greece, where pederasty was the norm? Not to mention what we call homosexuality likewise being, if hardly the norm, then at least far, far more common and mainstream in ancient Greece than today? And what about the "gay for pay", otherwise heterosexual men who perform homosexual acts in pornographic films and whatnot? Do not all of things require sexual attractions that you would insist are not chosen and, indeed, beyond choice?
That said, and for the record, I do not believe sexual orientation is typically "chosen". I believe perversity can have so profound an effect on one's sexuality that all sorts of attractions can develop and adhere, include homosexuality, but I think that's rather uncommon. For the vast majority one's orientation develops during puberty as a result of both biological and environmental factors. Mostly environmental.
But the fact remains that you're not showing much of an interest in the reality of homosexual orientation, but seem to be instead defending the rather ignorant, albeit conveniently politically correct, tripe.