Jerry Shugart
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Why did you not answer my question?:
What about the gospel mentioned at Luke 9:6? Did those who heard that gospel believe that the Lord Jesus was going to die for their sins?
ECT Who actually revealed the "mystery" of the Gospel of grace ? Was Paul the first ?
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Why did you not answer my question?:
What about the gospel mentioned at Luke 9:6? Did those who heard that gospel believe that the Lord Jesus was going to die for their sins?
I don't understand your question. what's the problem about the verse?
It seems that you don't understand the verse.
Jerry Shugart
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Once again you answer a question by asking a question. If you do not know the answer then just say so.
Interplanner
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Many people did, but we know from the end of Jn 6 (the desertion) that many left when they really grasped what it would mean and the disappointment of 'no new Joshua.' Thus they needed to 'take up their cross' which was really going to be his.
People cannot desert and deny unless they already know.
The Christ and the sacrificial Servant are one. Dan 9: Messiah will be cut off, but not for himself.
dodge
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Asked and answered ! I will not bite on the same error you are in !
The mystery was first revealed by Yah Veh to Adam when he was clothed in the skin of a Lamb. Adam passed it on to his children. Abel embraced the truth and form of worship, while Cain decided on his own version of worship and "truth".
It has been said that in every generation Cain slays Abel. Amen to that.
Another goofy response :kookoo:
Interplanner
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The mystery of the Eph 3 and those related to it is only about HOW all believers share in the promise to Israel, the inheritance, and the membership. It is not through the Law but through the Gospel. This takes all the air out of the balloon of Judaizers. The sharing was understood since Gen 12 about 'all nations will be blessed.' Paul even says that line is the Gospel. But the WAY or METHOD or CHANNEL was hidden from 1st century Judaism, and its Pharisee roots. That's why there are Pharisee missionaries all over but condemned by Christ in Mt 23.
“Yet it pleased Jehovah to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of Jehovah shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by the knowledge of himself shall my righteous servant justify many; and he shall bear their iniquities.”
??Isaiah? ?53:10-11? ?ASV??
http://bible.com/12/isa.53.10-11.asv
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??Isaiah? ?53:10-11? ?ASV??
http://bible.com/12/isa.53.10-11.asv
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It's like Paul said, "Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made." (Galatians 3:16)
Interplanner
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The post is true but I don't think that is the mystery of the group of passages like Eph 3 (Col 1, 4, Rom 16, and Eph 1).
SaulToPaul 2
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:chuckle:
Interplanner
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Jerry,
this is #943 at 'According to Paul...'
If you look more thoroughly at Luke, you will see that the 'marvels and wonders' were actually an interference to the one Gospel, and were a test that the disciples were failing.
The blessing of Lk 7:23 is there because it would be very easy to get sidetracked by all the signs and wonders of Jesus (v21). The 'falling away' is thinking he was ONLY there to do signs and wonders, rather than the Gospel. V22 says he was doing what Isaiah had mentioned--preaching the Gospel to the poor, and there is no record that he was preaching a social gospel or handing out money.
In addition Luke regularly mentions the Gospel in 3:18 and 4:18 and 4:43. While healings or power over spirits was news (4:37) it was not the Gospel. The Gospel is found in the 'remarkable' healing where it is linked to a healing to prove his anointing, 5:24.' He is here to proclaim the time of God's grace, 4:19 (Is 61, cp 2 Cor 6:1, repeated).
Once again, he wasn't there to provide fish to all, even though that was a sign. he was there to show them how to catch men, 5:9.
They listeners are 'blessed if they do not fall away on account of me' means on account of all the signs and wonders. The disciples would be tested on that when he defined who he was in ch 9.
The same test is found in 9:43+. He does something about which the crowd marvels: they were all amazed at the greatness of God. But notice the next line: 'while they were marveling...' In other words, he had to do something to correct their tendency. It is about his dying. But it now gets hidden from them because all it will do is spur them to prevent it. They wanted a miracle god instead.
In 10:20, they are even told not to rejoice in their delegated power. So much for other gospels. It is now a 'good news' that they can't enjoy. But they can enjoy justification (being written in the names of heaven). I'm not even sure he is talking about his disciples in 10:21-24! Because justification through Christ's dying was 'hidden from them' and 'they did not understand.'
There is only one Gospel that is the 'year of God's grace'. That is why he was here.
this is #943 at 'According to Paul...'
If you look more thoroughly at Luke, you will see that the 'marvels and wonders' were actually an interference to the one Gospel, and were a test that the disciples were failing.
The blessing of Lk 7:23 is there because it would be very easy to get sidetracked by all the signs and wonders of Jesus (v21). The 'falling away' is thinking he was ONLY there to do signs and wonders, rather than the Gospel. V22 says he was doing what Isaiah had mentioned--preaching the Gospel to the poor, and there is no record that he was preaching a social gospel or handing out money.
In addition Luke regularly mentions the Gospel in 3:18 and 4:18 and 4:43. While healings or power over spirits was news (4:37) it was not the Gospel. The Gospel is found in the 'remarkable' healing where it is linked to a healing to prove his anointing, 5:24.' He is here to proclaim the time of God's grace, 4:19 (Is 61, cp 2 Cor 6:1, repeated).
Once again, he wasn't there to provide fish to all, even though that was a sign. he was there to show them how to catch men, 5:9.
They listeners are 'blessed if they do not fall away on account of me' means on account of all the signs and wonders. The disciples would be tested on that when he defined who he was in ch 9.
The same test is found in 9:43+. He does something about which the crowd marvels: they were all amazed at the greatness of God. But notice the next line: 'while they were marveling...' In other words, he had to do something to correct their tendency. It is about his dying. But it now gets hidden from them because all it will do is spur them to prevent it. They wanted a miracle god instead.
In 10:20, they are even told not to rejoice in their delegated power. So much for other gospels. It is now a 'good news' that they can't enjoy. But they can enjoy justification (being written in the names of heaven). I'm not even sure he is talking about his disciples in 10:21-24! Because justification through Christ's dying was 'hidden from them' and 'they did not understand.'
There is only one Gospel that is the 'year of God's grace'. That is why he was here.
lifeisgood
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No, meshak, they're NOT the 'most biblical Christians as a whole' for they DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT preach Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary.
Don't forget that JWs believe that Jesus Christ is Michael the archangel. You can go to their site and find out from their own mouths that is what they believe.
You get Jesus Christ wrong, it does not matter what else you get right.
Jerry Shugart
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You never had an "intelligent" answer for it. According to you there is only one gospel and that gospel declares that Christ died for our sins.
But you can somehow trick your mind into believing that the gospel which the Twelve preached at Luke 9:6 is that same gospel even though at that time the Twelve did not even know the Lord Jesus was going to die.
Do you never tire of embarrassing yourself?
Interplanner
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Jerry,
they knew but did not want to know. The critical point in the account on this is what happens at 9:43. 'while they were marveling.' The Gospel was there the whole time, but the 'signs and wonders' were testing the disciples ability to pay attention to it.
musterion
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Made up.
SaulToPaul 2
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Dr Phil is at it again!