When does the biblical day begin?
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The last supper was not the Passover as He was killed while the lambs were were being slaughtered between the evenings of the 14th...
They left the upper room after the meal...israel was instructed not to leave the house until morning and to burn leftovers...
The 14th is when the actual passing over of the wrath of Yah occurred...at midnight...THAT night...at midnight...the night after the lambs were killed and eaten...the 15th began at dawn
The 14th IS the PASSingOVER not just the slaughter of the lambs...
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There was darkness...not named night...and He created light called it day and divided it from darkness which He now called night...this Light which was created now became evening and it bwecame dark which was...night...which then "it came to be morning-day one"
Again... the time span occurs and then it is numbered...like birthdays the year is lived and then numbered
Same with distance...we travel the distance first and then number it...go the mile then number it
Each day of creation the act of creation occurred during the daylight portion of the day and then it came to be evening and then into night and then into morning and the day is then finally numbered...
It was darkness and then light...notice no evening prior that first daylight evening came after the light as evening needs light...diminishing light
That darkness that first existed was created because it was brought into existence in the realm of time. Isaiah 45:7 Light was not created.
Again:
"1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."
That part where He speaks and there is light is usually what people accept as when light was created...it is then called Day not evening BTW but then this light seperates darkness which is now called night...
So you think the darkness and the deep just appeared? Where it says "without form" you need to consider that in view of "I form the light".
Darkness and the deep appeared when in the beginning He created the heavens and the earth.
I consider "Let there be light" when there was light...the "without form" is in the darkness...no day or night or light...just earth...void...without form...in darkness
This is not the backstory of God His origins but of ours...mankind came from darkness needs the light...and the Light
You are saying that darkness and deep just appeared. You are doing so to suit you silly theory.
I missed you Jerry (Your nonsense).
That rebellious woman Sherman had me on a 3 month ban.
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Jerry Shugart
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Actually, the Lord Jesus was crucified on the 15th, the day of the "Passover sacrifices" (2 Chron.35:5,7,8).
Included in this offering were not only lambs but also "small cattle" and "oxen" so that "Passover offering" was not on the 14th but instead on the 15th.
Jerry Shugart
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You got off light, you naughty boy!
2 Chron 35 "Now Josiah kept a Passover to the Lord in Jerusalem, and they slaughtered the Passover lambs on the fourteenth day of the first month."
The passover sacrifice is a lamb of sheep or goat...the other animals here in this chronicle account were other thanksgiving offerings on that unique and special passover (which is a thank offering NOT a sin offering)...these other thank offerings were also killed on the 14th that 18th year of Josiah's reign...
The passover lambs were slaughtered on the 14th (between evenings of noon and sundown) and eaten THAT night not the night of next day...and the wrath of Yah passed over at midnight the same night the offerings were eaten of the same day they were killed...the 14th.
Jerry Shugart
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Do you not know about the Chagigah? These "Passover" offerings or festive offerings were sacrificed between three and six o'çlock according to the Talmud. Those offerings did not take place on the 14th but instead on the 15th.
Lol...now I do.
"What were Yahusha and his disciples doing that night that we call “The Last Supper”? Were they having a “Jewish Seder”? No. Were they eating crackers? No. Were they even eating unleavened bread? No! They were, in fact, keeping the Chagigah on the eve of the 14th of Abib before the Passover Day of Preparation and Yahusha was elevating the “remembrance meal” that begins Passover to its spiritual fulfillment! The bread eaten that night was not unleavened bread it was leavened bread that represented Yahusha’s broken (sinful) body. Unleavened bread is not eaten until after Yahusha is perfected through suffering on Passover and receives his perfect eternal body… The Feast of Unleavened Bread.
A Chagigah (in Hebrew or Koinonia in Lation) literally means a "Festival Offering", and they were held before the Three Pilgrimage Festivals (Passover, Shavuot, Sukkot) and they delt with the pilgrimage offering (lambs) that men were supposed to bring into Jerusalem to be slain on Passover the next day.
These "Chagigah" were traditionally held between one to three days prior to a religious event (Passover, Shavuot or Sukkot), and in this particular discussion it is being applied to the understanding of "The Last Supper" (Koinonia) that actually occurred one day prior to Messiah's Crucifixion (which occurred on The Preparation Day), and, also, applied to the "Passover Remembrance". As a matter of fact, "The Chagigah" were, also, "Remembrance Meals" that included discussions about the upcoming events (Passover, Shavuot or Sukkot), and for "Passover" they are loosely the equivalent of the Jewish Seder Meal in today's society.
Neither a "Chagigah" nor "The Passover" is a Holy Sabbath or a Holy convocation, but are "Remembrances". The "Chagigah", "Koinonia" or "Last Supper" (in this case) occurred PRIOR to The Passover Preparation Day and the actual PASSOVER (Remembrance) MEAL eaten on the first day of Unleavend Bread, and were therefore the meal on the Chagigah was eaten with "Leavened Bread" (Artos).
http://www.sabbathcovenant.com/newdoctrine/TheChagigah.htm
And now you do too...lol
Again...passover lambs killed eaten and leftovers burnt all occuring on the same day the wrath of Yah passed over at midnight...the 14th...no matter what the Talmud says
The Lord's supper was not a passover meal...cant eat the sacrifice without killing it first...
Yep! Alfred Edersheim.
I know right?
It is so clear. Light was created separated from darkness named Day and darkness named Night and then there was evening and morning-day 1.
It doesn't fit the preconceived doctrinal prejudice for so many Christians. But since we love the Lord we must put them in their place. The island of intellectual dishonesty.
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..."many Christians"...so by island you mean like the size of Australia?...lol
Evidence beyond genesis...
1 Sam 19:
"10Saul tried to pin David to the wall with the spear, but he slipped away out of Saul's presence, so that he stuck the spear into the wall. And David fled and escaped that night. 11Then Saul sent messengers to David's house to watch him, in order to put him to death in the morning. But Michal, David's wife, told him, saying, "If you do not save your life tonight, tomorrow you will be put to death." 12So Michal let David down through a window, and he went out and fled and escaped..."
Notice she did not say "today in the morning you will be put to death"...
Biblical days begin in the morning. Thus the only thing which occurred that first (day) of seven...Mia ton sabbaton...was the tomb was found empty...He WAS risen indeed that day...He rose the day before...
No Sunday resurrection but it was on the Previous day the Sabbath...