What is the Gospel?
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Sonnet
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glorydaz
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Ah, so you were rebutting yourself. Gotcha.
No, I'm not not!
Timothy and Titus were Gentiles, and Paul ordained them bishops/elders/pastors/overseers of their dioceses of the one Church, the Elect, the Body of Christ.
I am. "The new evangelism."
Oh! Sorry! I " wasn't talking to you." Hush-hush.
All Israelites were there, but the serpent on the pole was not for all of them, but only for the ones bitten.
Absolutely true.
So do you.
We both claim that the serpent on the pole was raised before all of Israel to see, but the healing was not for all of them, but only the ones bitten.
That alone should clue you into the fact that the serpent on the pole (representative of Jesus) was raised before all of Israel to see, but had no benefit to all of Israel, but only a portion.
And that alone should make you question why Moses had no need of healing from the serpent on the pole that represented Jesus on the cross.
The serpent on the pole was not for ALL of the Israelites there, but only for a portion of ALL the Israelites there.
Moses was there, but Moses was not healed by the serpent on the pole.
Of course He did. ALL the Israelites were there, but not ALL were healed.
There is no way this can be construed that it represented all of mankind, or all of anything for that matter, because the serpent on the pole did not heal all that it was raised up before, but only a portion.
Jesus gives a comparison:
Matthew 9:12-13
(12) But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
(13) But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Moses would be representative of one that was not sick (from serpent bite) and did not need healing (from the serpent on the pole).
One must determine why the snakes only bit some of Israel and not all.
But if a snake had of bitten him a day after the pole was raised up, the serpent on the pole was there for him.
Some, but not all, of the Israelites bitten died from the snake bites. (Who do they represent?)
Some, but not all, of the Israelites bitten were healed from the snake bites. (Who do they represent?)
Some, but not all, of the Israelites were not bitten and were in no need of healing. (Who do they represent?)
This is not a BOC thing, it is an Israel thing.
Sonnet
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I'm not following you.
Moses was a man of faith and would not have pursued the law as a way to righteousness.
Hebrews 11
24 By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. 25 He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. 26 He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward. 27 By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. 28 By faith he kept the Passover and the application of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.
What a surprise. Another narcissist. They're like flies on crap here.
lain:If your point isn't universalism, then what is it? :doh: Whoops, I keep forgetting, you're a narcissist. You're not interested in any truth that doesn't involve you being the hero. Or something like that.
:idunno:
glorydaz
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Sad how you keep talking to yourself because no one else wants to. :chuckle:
glorydaz
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My goodness. Did Moses know this? :jawdrop:
What a surprise. Another narcissist. They're like flies on crap here.
If your point isn't universalism, then what is it? :doh: Whoops, I keep forgetting, you're a narcissist. You're not interested in any truth that doesn't involve you being the hero. Or something like that.
:idunno:
Jesus died with all humanity in mind, for all humanity. All are able to commune with God because God draws all, without being cutoff from those people by their sin, because Jesus Died/Atoned for their sin... (1 John 2:2, 1 Timothy 4:10) ...
Jesus died for all!
Now... do all accept what Jesus did?
No!
Are all saved? Most likely not... do to free will response to the gospel.
Are all ressurected?
Yes?
Are all resurrected to Eternal Life?
No!
Did Jesus Die for all and become the Savior of All?
Yes (1 Timothy 4:10)
Does Jesus force people to accept His free gift of eternal life that He purchased for all men?
No!
[MENTION=83]Nihilo[/MENTION] ...
Does God desire that none should be lost and all should be saved?
Did God make it possible for all men to be saved?
Does God Force all men to accept what He did for them?
:doh:
Sonnet
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If one follows the logic of your argument and make unbitten Israelites part of Jesus's analogy then Jesus would be teaching that some men are without sin and do not need Him to save them.
Matthew 9:12-13 merely teaches that those who consider themselves not sick (even though they are Romans 3:23) are not those whom Jesus calls. Jesus was rebuking the self-righteous Pharisees.
Despite Tambora’s upcoming recalcitrance to all scripture that fully, without refutation, supports your assertion and fully rebutts her false and deceitful rhetoric designed to undermine the scope of Christ’s death for all...
You just Truth Smacked a ToL “Truth Smacker”...
In other words...
You jump to the conclusion that they were bitten because they were sinners.
Since all men are sinners, all should have been bitten.
But all were not bitten.
Why?
Why were some not bitten?
Who do the ones not bitten represent?
Why do you add "consider" when it is not in the verse?????
The verse clearly says those that are not sick do not need healing.
Moses was not sick from a snake bite and needed no healing.
So, if 'being bitten' was suppose to be representative of sinners, and all of mankind are sinners, then Moses should have been bitten too.
But he wasn't.
Why was Moses not bitten?
glorydaz
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And the equivocation spelled out for all to see. Yes, but not really. Some but not all. :rotfl:
glorydaz
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His PRIDE has been injured. Haven't you ever seen a hypocrite who has been exposed for all to see? They all react the same way. They become obsessed with some trivial point, as if that will show they were correct from the beginning. This Evil Eye has no excuse like drugs or anything else. He's simply a HYPOCRITE EXPOSED.
glorydaz
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Evil supports all those who bow to his will, and attacks all those who refuse.
This Sower of Discord should be cast down. Just like his father, the Devil.