What is the express image of God?

keypurr

keypurr

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What is the express image of God?

patrick jane said:
freelight does what he can to refute and discredit God's Holy Word at every opportunity he gets.
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The KJV is not God's holy word, the original manuscripts are. The KJV has many errors.
You need to understand that friend. Men have injected their own ideas into the KJV.

There is no perfect translation.
 
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Interplanner

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Back on the OP, it would be good if people spent more time unpacking what Gen 5:3 means and retroactively applying "likeness" and "image" to the first appearance of the expression.
 
freelight

freelight

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Man as the image and likeness of 'God'

Man as the image and likeness of 'God'

Interplanner said:
Back on the OP, it would be good if people spent more time unpacking what Gen 5:3 means and retroactively applying "likeness" and "image" to the first appearance of the expression.
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Indeed,...this would include the meaning of the original language terms translated into the English word 'image' and 'likeness', if referring back to the OT. In the greater context we can also relate how not only Jesus in a special and unique way is the 'express image' of 'God', but how that man himself is such as well, Jesus being a prototype in some way in a particular context. I find the kabalistic concept of the 'Adam Kadmon' somewhat helpful here, as Jesus is the Second or Last 'Adam'...the archetypal Man, who is the image and likeness of 'God'. We are all sons of God, its just a matter of how we define, relate and contextualize any category of sonship within a hierarchy.

Man is the key or prototypal image, in any case,...this is more accentuated by the Incarnation of the logos itself, and how the Christ abides in man, as the hope of glory, this 'glory' being the image/nature/likeness of God, albeit individualized in form. Jesus is but the apex or perfection of that in conception and form. Hence he is the Firstborn among many brethren, the Firstborn of the new creation. These are all allegories for the perfection of 'Man'.
 
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daqq

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freelight said:
Indeed,...this would include the meaning of the original language terms translated into the English word 'image' and 'likeness', if referring back to the OT. In the greater context we can also relate how not only Jesus in a special and unique way is the 'express image' of 'God', but how that man himself is such as well, Jesus being a prototype in some way in a particular context. I find the kabalistic concept of the 'Adam Kadmon' somewhat helpful here, as Jesus is the Second or Last 'Adam'...the archetypal Man, who is the image and likeness of 'God'. We are all sons of God, its just a matter of how we define, relate and contextualize any category of sonship within a hierarchy.

Man is the key or prototypal image, in any case,...this is more accentuated by the Incarnation of the logos itself, and how the Christ abides in man, as the hope of glory, this 'glory' being the image/nature/likeness of God, albeit individualized in form. Jesus is but the apex or perfection of that in conception and form. Hence he is the Firstborn among many brethren, the Firstborn of the new creation. These are all allegories for the perfection of 'Man'.
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The first anthropos Adam became a nephesh-chayah living soul and was formed of dust from the adamah, that is, soil-like, dusty, choikos-earthy-dusty; and this is clearly the first anthropos-man formed of Elohim in Genesis 2:7. The second anthropos is from the heavens, (Genesis 1:26-27). For a man can receive nothing unless it be given him from the heavens. :chuckle:
 
freelight

freelight

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'Man' as Son of God.......

'Man' as Son of God.......

daqq said:
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The first anthropos Adam became a nephesh-chayah living soul and was formed of dust from the adamah, that is, soil-like, dusty, choikos-earthy-dusty; and this is clearly the first anthropos-man formed of Elohim in Genesis 2:7. The second anthropos is from the heavens, (Genesis 1:26-27). For a man can receive nothing unless it be given him from the heavens. :chuckle:
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Indeed, 'Man' is the apex of God's creation, the mirror of His own Self. Hence the 'Adam-Kadmon' concept holds. Man is the individual expression of the Universal Father, and such 'image' and 'likeness' is intrinsic to his creation, in both substance and form, - of which Jesus is the perfect representation, in whose image we are also 'conformed' as we are perfected in Spirit.

The first man is 'earthly', the second 'spiritual', of the Lord from heaven, the immortal man. Paul understood these mysteries, even to showing that the resurrection is really 'spiritual',...but that's another subject, lest we digress ;)
 
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daqq

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freelight said:
Indeed, 'Man' is the apex of God's creation, the mirror of His own Self. Hence the 'Adam-Kadmon' concept holds. Man is the individual expression of the Universal Father, and such 'image' and 'likeness' is intrinsic to his creation, in both substance and form, - of which Jesus is the perfect representation, in whose image we are also 'conformed' as we are perfected in Spirit.

The first man is 'earthly', the second 'spiritual', of the Lord from heaven, the immortal man. Paul understood these mysteries, even to showing that the resurrection is really 'spiritual',...but that's another subject, lest we digress ;)
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Awe, too bad it is another subject because imo you hit the nail on the head: for unless one is resurrected before the carcass is surrendered, ah well, nevermind. :Nineveh:
 
freelight

freelight

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daqq said:
Awe, too bad it is another subject because imo you hit the nail on the head: for unless one is resurrected before the carcass is surrendered, ah well, nevermind. :Nineveh:
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Careful,...you know some of us have a reputation of being too 'esoteric' ;)
 
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daqq

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freelight said:
Careful,...you know some of us have a reputation of being too 'esoteric' ;)
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Yeah, but see that is mainly because the majority party of the "non-esoteric" fleshmongers do not render the Gospel of John the way they should in the first place, (that old flesh paradigm thing). If only it were "on-topic" it might clearly be shown from the Testimony of Yeshua in John 11:25-26 and other statements. Oh well. :Nineveh: :crackup:
 
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Eric h

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If you were searching for just one greatest purpose, for God to create the universe and life. Could it be that God would love each and everyone of us as he loves himself?

Are we given the greatest commandments because they have a greatest meaning for God the Father also?

Could it be, that if we could live the greatest commandments perfectly, then we would reflect the greatest image of God?

Just some thoughts, of which I do not profess to really understand.

Blessings

Eric
 
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RBBI

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How about this for a resurrection? The soul stays trapped in whatever it did not overcome while still in the body (the garment spotted by the flesh), but the spirit returns to the One that sent it. The resurrection is the RE-union of the soul and spirit, which can happen while still in the body. It's the superior of the resurrections Paul spoke of.

So failing to understand this, what has Christendom wrought, but a bunch of people who want to die and "go to heaven", not realizing that they will not get past the gates of the city. Paul could not have made it any plainer by stating that he did not want to be UNCLOTHED, but clothed upon, mortality swallowed up of immortality, yet they create their own doctrine.

Hoping amiss, means your hope has no chance of materializing. Christ IN US, is the only hope of glory, ie. a glorified body. There is nothing in death in and of itself to bring glory.
 
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daqq

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RBBI said:
How about this for a resurrection? The soul stays trapped in whatever it did not overcome while still in the body (the garment spotted by the flesh), but the spirit returns to the One that sent it. The resurrection is the RE-union of the soul and spirit, which can happen while still in the body. It's the superior of the resurrections Paul spoke of.

So failing to understand this, what has Christendom wrought, but a bunch of people who want to die and "go to heaven", not realizing that they will not get past the gates of the city. Paul could not have made it any plainer by stating that he did not want to be UNCLOTHED, but clothed upon, mortality swallowed up of immortality, yet they create their own doctrine.

Hoping amiss, means your hope has no chance of materializing. Christ IN US, is the only hope of glory, ie. a glorified body. There is nothing in death in and of itself to bring glory.
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Good comments, and especially about what Paul writes, (being clothed from on High) but I truly did not want to throw off Keypurr's topic even though I was "jesting" roundabout the notion. :)
 
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RBBI

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I understand. I guess I didn't see it as throwing off the topic, since it's actually describing the finished product of the Seed becoming much fruit. Peace
 
keypurr

keypurr

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daqq said:
Good comments, and especially about what Paul writes, (being clothed from on High) but I truly did not want to throw off Keypurr's topic even though I was "jesting" roundabout the notion. :)
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Not to be concerned about being off topic. Let the spirit flow.
 
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