I'll take your word for it. Thanks.
I meant legally. And constitutionally. Does the president have the power to do that? What would happen?
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The Graphite
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Well, the Constitution protects the God-given right to life for all persons. Keyes would support a Constitutional amendment specifying that the unborn are persons from the moment of conception, but rightly recognizes that this is not really necessary. They are persons and therefore covered under the Constitution.
Did the government have the authority to send in the National Guard to enforce desegregation? Same thing. No government has the right to decriminalize murder, and the Consitution says our government cannot deprive any person of life without due process.
It is a travesty that no president has every done this, yet.
What would happen? As an Open Theist, I'd say not even God knows that for sure. Let's find out! :Grizzly:
Keyes is coming in second, so far.
Supporting an amendment is one thing. What Keyes has said he would do is another.
I am not very familiar with the National Guard being used to enforce desegregation but hadn't segregation been declared unlawful at that point? You can't say that about abortion. If Keyes would get that amendment passed and then needs the National Guard to enforce it then that would be different.
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That has to be one of the most inane things I've read in a long time...
If one vote "for" isn't going to make any difference, how on earth is one vote "against" going to make any more difference?
Your own logic defeats you. The lack of ability to effect a change with a "for" vote is exactly equal to your lack of ability to effect a change with your proposed "against" vote. Utterly useless.
All you are left with is the opportunity to actually do the right thing, and risk the consequences. When God's people trust Him, honor Him and fear Him as they do right and risk the consequences, God honors their efforts and does amazing things through those acts of faith, even in the face of immeasurable odds, even overturning whole armies and entire cities or wiping nations off the face of the earth.
Thank God it wasn't you facing Goliath. A little rock? It's useless, why even try? That's can't beat such a great behemoth...
You need to take off the armor of Saul and have the courage to do the right thing. Alan Keyes isnt' the only godly man you can write in, by any means. But, for goodness' sake, don't give your vote to a man who is already a mass murderer. If you think your vote won't have any powers either way... then just do the right thing and trust God to handle the outcome.
My two shekels, for what they're worth.
And what do you think the Supreme Court would do about that?
WandererInFog
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It's somewhat difficult to answer that, because there is no realistic scenario by which Keyes could be elected President. In our current political situation (the one where Keyes has no chance of being elected President), if a President attempted to do this, it would most likely result in massive power struggle (a President can issue orders all day long, it doesn't mean the other people involved will actually co-operate in carrying them out), most likely ending with the impeachment and removal from office of said President.
Newman
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I will vote reluctantly for McCain/Palin. I think Obama would severely weaken the economy, help mothers kill their unborn children, weaken our military, ruin the healthcare industry, promote socialism, slow us down in becoming independent from foreign oil, weaken the foundation of the family, make government bigger (it's already way too big), tax more, spend more, and turn America's other cheek to terrorism.
McCain is just the lesser of two evils. If I had my way, Ron Paul would be president.
McCain is just the lesser of two evils. If I had my way, Ron Paul would be president.
The Graphite
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Well, since we have not one single pro-lifer on the Supreme Court, they surely would act unfavorably. However, their jurisdiction is over laws passed by Congress. Your question should ask what the overwhelmingly pro-abort crooks in Congress would do?
Nevertheless, I don't base my actions on whether I think someone else will defeat me (or the one I support) later on. David took off Saul's armor and went out to face Goliath with a strip of leather and a pebble. He didn't worry that, gosh, we might be defeated. He did the right thing. The disciples didn't look around and say, well, we're surrounded by not one but two corrupt governments (Roman and Jewish) that will persecute and beat us, so we might as well obey men rather than God.
I won't vote for a man just because I think a lot of other people are going to vote for him. The trouble with Christians is that most of us are afraid that most of the rest of us will vote for a scumbag, so they themselves do the same thing, thinking they have to if everyone else is!
Can you just imagine how awful it would be.... if every Christian in America stopped voting for pro-abort, pro-queer, pro-socialism Republican politicians? My gosh, how terrible things would turn out!
I will do what I believe God calls us to do, and I will never again vote for a mass murderer.
I thought it might end up playing out like that.
Yay, lucybelle!
P.S.
It's actually Chuck Baldwin. Alec Baldwin would never run on the Constitution Party ticket.
I'm voting for Barr
lucybelle
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I know. You've got a great sense of humor.hehe... yea... it was my lame attempt at humor.
Ditto.
I also believe that to vote for a candidate who perfectly fits our ideal on the life issue but doesn't stand a chance of winning is to make a moral statement with no moral impact, and in fact, the result could be a negative moral impact.
As Greg Koukl from Stand to Reason has written: '...it’s better to choose someone who is committed to eliminating some of the evil, than passively contributing to the victory of one who is not committed to eliminating any of the evil but, on the contrary, will promote it.'
The Graphite
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I'm confused. Those are the reasons you will vote for McCain?
Funny, those are the reasons I will not vote for McCain... the sole exception being that I would replace "weaken our military" with "weaken our borders," which isn't much different in the effect.
Planning on voting for Chuck Baldwin.
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Ah yes. So, instead of voting for the candidate that would kill all the blacks, we should vote for the man who wants to kill only 20% of blacks. We should give him money and time and sweat, and cheer for him, and as give him a 100% pro-life rating just as Focus on the Family gives to the mass-murderer McCain.
"Without a vision, the people perish." But with your vision, many people will perish. I will never vote for a mass murderer.
You can spin it any way you like. It's a vote of conscience and mine says that to hand over the presidency to Obama would be more evil than to hand it over to McCain.