Trump Has A Mandate

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glorydaz

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Can't and don't know how are two different things. You understand that right?
Because saying you won't hire a black lifeguard says, "I believe black people are inherently unable to swim."

Yeah, that racist coach who doesn't want to waste his time hiring that little white guy to go against all his 7ft. tall black guys. How about that sexist who doesn't want to hire that 5ft. woman to carry people from a burning building? Let's just forget God gave us common sense. You libs crack me up.

You guys just want to attack whatever Climate Sanity says. He already made it clear that chances are he wouldn't be hiring a black guy for a life guarding position. But, no, you refuse to accept someone speaking in generalities because you're so darn nit-picky you just can't help yourselves. Poor little darlings.
 

glorydaz

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I have to go now. In the morning there better be an apology or I will take it up with knight to give you an infraction for calling me a racist without cause.

Really, they' can't help themselves. They really can't. That's what happens when liberal propaganda has done it's work. I live in the midst of Liberal Land, and it's clear, they cannot help it. They have been indoctrinated. Sad. :(
 

Alate_One

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That's exactly what I would do if the information is provided by the applicant and the information has been corroborated by references. If none of that is forthcoming, there is no choice but to decide based on statistics.

Again. Correlation is not causation. Because X% of people of a certain race don't do something, doesn't mean they're inherently worse at it.
 

Alate_One

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Special tests? Like show me you can float before I let you try and rescue me? I like that one. :thumb:

You'd do that with anyone asking to be a lifeguard no? Climate Sanity stated this would only be for black applicants, presumably the white ones would be assumed to float no matter how scrawny they were.
 

Alate_One

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Really, they' can't help themselves. They really can't. That's what happens when liberal propaganda has done it's work. I live in the midst of Liberal Land, and it's clear, they cannot help it. They have been indoctrinated. Sad. :(

Yes, I've bee indoctrinated to judge people on what they can actually do rather than assuming what they can do based on their skin color. :rolleyes:


It's hard to believe we're actually having this conversation in 2016, or . . . maybe it isn't :mmph:
 

Town Heretic

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Did I say all black people can not swim?
No, you said:
There is data out there suggesting black men cannot swim. This justifies my reluctance to hire them as lifeguard.
And I noted that the words you chose invite misunderstanding. Prior to that I wondered why you'd presume anything instead of simply screening applicants.

There's nothing to suggest black men can't swim, empirically, whether or not, for one reason or another, they largely don't choose it as recreation. Blacks also don't tend to play hockey, but it doesn't follow that they can't play hockey, only that they mostly don't.


No. So quit accusing me of it.
:plain: Nothing in that post accused you of anything.


No "real impediment". That's like saying being short is no real impediment to playing basketball.
And it isn't. Now if you want to be a professional center, you need height. But short isn't really a parallel to black, unless you can show a physical disadvantage you aren't offering.

And so my question.
 

glorydaz

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You'd do that with anyone asking to be a lifeguard no? Climate Sanity stated this would only be for black applicants, presumably the white ones would be assumed to float no matter how scrawny they were.

You ever hear of hyperbole? You ever hear of exaggeration for effect? Do you nit pick your way through every discussion you're in? I'll bet you think Trump literally meant he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his supporters would back him up....didn't you? This is the kind of nonsense that is causing so much divisiveness in this country. I understood what Climate Sanity was saying, and he's right. There are physical differences between the races. There are physical differences between the sexes. It's not a bad thing to know that or to say it.
 

glorydaz

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Yeah, suntanning and other things directly related to actual skin color.

Race doesn't exist as a biological concept. There's no genetic basis for it. There are no traits that are completely exclusive to one "race" or another. There's more variation within races than between them.

Yeah, that's why blacks excel at some sports. No whites want to do that silly basketball stuff.
 

glorydaz

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Yes, I've bee indoctrinated to judge people on what they can actually do rather than assuming what they can do based on their skin color. :rolleyes:


It's hard to believe we're actually having this conversation in 2016, or . . . maybe it isn't :mmph:

Actually, you've been raised to ignore simple common sense. I'd rather have a big burly firefighter carry me out of a burning building than a little girl who got the job to appease the women's movement.

Too much over-looking of facts in order to appease. That's the problem with 2016.
 

Quincy

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Creationists sound a lot like evolutionists these days. If God's work was finished after 6 days there is no other way to account for these claims.

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Alate_One

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Yeah, that racist coach who doesn't want to waste his time hiring that little white guy to go against all his 7ft. tall black guys.
Note what you said. LITTLE. Now that's not just race now is it? You're making a physical judgement about someone based on their size which is a requirement for the job, not race. That is, obviously a different thing and not racist. But if the coach rejected every white person and even the 7 foot tall white guy with a great 3 point shot because he thought white people are just bad at basketball, then that would be racist. See the difference?

You guys just want to attack whatever Climate Sanity says. He already made it clear that chances are he wouldn't be hiring a black guy for a life guarding position. But, no, you refuse to accept someone speaking in generalities because you're so darn nit-picky you just can't help yourselves. Poor little darlings.

You're trying to interpret what he said to make it sound better, but it's plain what he said.

Doser doesn't assume all blacks cannot swim . You don't have to think every black person you meet cannot swim to not hire them as lifeguard. You would be well within reason to not hire them if a high percentage of blacks cannot swim.
So because a high percentage of people can't do something (because they haven't been taught) I'm justified in assuming that a black person applying to be a lifeguard would be a bad one. That's the very definition of a racist stereotype.
 

rocketman

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I don't believe I do. At my polling place we present ID, but for most of my life the people running the local polling places have lists of registered voters and people don't tend to wander up and ask, "Have you got anyone named Jones registered?"

I can tell you that no I.D. is required to register nor is anybody asked to show any form of I.D. in California. It is a free for all and always has been, and given that illegals can obtain drivers licenses in CA showing I.D. is a farce. If you don't believe illegals can obtain drivers licenses please refer to the Nutter State's DMV website.

http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/ab-60-drivers-license.php

As I said when you have no standard nor anything in place to enforce a federal standard You Will have illegals voting as well, that too is a given. I sincerely hope that Trump intends to levy sanctions on sanctuary cities & states because enough is enough already.


There have been studies directly on the point and they haven't sustained the notion that voter fraud of the sort that would be curtailed by photo ID has actually been a problem. Until there's data to the contrary it's reasonable to use the standard we have for gauging elections.

I am sure that study was conducted by liberals then, and what they used for data points would be a hoot to hear... :chuckle:


Unless you have an objective argument for the ennobling impact of spreading out I'm not sure what your point is.

The majority of states went Trump...that would be a 30 states & their populace versus only 20 states & their populaces that went for Hillary and the overage of the popular vote came entirely from California so to say there is some great majority out there besides the Nutters & illegals in California that gave her the popular vote margin which you keep contending is a nationwide margin just does not exist. Read all about it...

http://www.investors.com/politics/c...pular-vote-win-came-entirely-from-california/


Another word for getting that result would be gerrymandering.

That would be a Democrat problem as much as a Republican one...you are reaching now. :nono:


It's the president of "We the people", not "We the landholders".

No, it is "We The People Of The United States" not "We The People Of San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, & Tijuana".


I don't think he had much of a mandate. 52% of the electorate? The EC win looked like a mandate, but he had around ten million more votes than McCain. That's strong support, but I don't know that I'd call it a mandate.

You can call it anything you please really, the fact that the republicans hold all the cards right now means they are taking it as a mandate, and they should, it is not like the democrats gave a second thought to pushing their agenda on all of America, now the shoe is on the other foot and regressive leftists are moaning? Too Bad...next time (if there is one) leftists should learn to move to the center & compromise.


We have far different memories. I recall the Republicans admitting to a "Say no" to everything/pretend to work to with the president to stall as long as possible.

which is exactly what the republican & conservative bases wanted after having policy shoved down their throats for two years without compromise, heck Harry Reid changed the senate rules so no discourse could even happen so, I am completely indifferent to the whining of the left at this point, they had no problem offering a turd sandwich to the right so, now they can enjoy the same treatment...Bon Appétit!


Literally nothing I wrote was false.

Literally, yes it was false, or at least a misrepresentation of the Constitution concerning the roles of Staes & their citizens, and the role of the central government.


Didn't say they didn't.

Yet, as i read your post you attempt to delegitimize the states in lieu of a single populace under a central government...where have I read your statement wrong?



We had slavery too. Now, back to the present, where the argument isn't over big government (which Republicans grow dramatically every time they have power).

What does slavery have to do with it? The same document that governs the size of the central government is the same document that freed the slaves and now it is just too pass' because liberals want socialism or a form of it? That is just nonsense..and BTW the size of government started it's biggest growth spurt under a democrat, FDR, you can't hang that albatross on just Republican necks.


What's your source/citation on that?

The same citation you posted when you said that the younger generation leans left wing...I merely expounded that it has always been that way (from my observation anyway), I don't feel the need to cite it if you want to expound on it further you research it.

Okay, fair warning given. The rest is time.

Pretty much how I see it..
 

Town Heretic

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Most of our back and forth reduces to philosophical differences in approach and we've aired them so I'm going to avoid repeating a good bit where we've both been clear enough.
I can tell you that no I.D. is required to register nor is anybody asked to show any form of I.D. in California.
I'm betting they have voter lists and registration prior to voting.
As I said when you have no standard nor anything in place to enforce a federal standard You Will have illegals voting as well, that too is a given.
No, absent proof it's a supposition. To further suppose it to be influential would require even greater proof, reasonably.

That would be a Democrat problem as much as a Republican one...you are reaching now.
It has been more of a problem for Democrats in my lifetime, as the only occasions where the EC and popular vote have differed have allowed the candidate with fewer at large votes to win the election, but that's their problem. From a larger perspective I'd agree it's a problem for everyone. I'm simply not to the point where I'm certain it's worth the trouble. A few more of those, one way or the other, and I'd be inclined to lean toward the "Yes" column. I'm not there yet, but I can see it from here.

No, it is "We The People Of The United States" not "We The People Of San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, & Tijuana".
That's literally just you putting a distribution of the lesser into the public virtue category for no objective reason, as I see it. People concentrated should have a lesser voice than a more widely distributed minority.

You can call it anything you please really, the fact that the republicans hold all the cards right now means they are taking it as a mandate, and they should, it is not like the democrats gave a second thought to pushing their agenda on all of America, now the shoe is on the other foot and regressive leftists are moaning? Too Bad...next time (if there is one) leftists should learn to move to the center & compromise.
I'm mostly arguing for a practically meaningful use of the word. Subjectively speaking, I suppose anyone can call a thing beautiful or consider a minority vote a mandate, if they're inclined.

they had no problem offering a turd sandwich to the right so, now they can enjoy the same treatment...Bon Appétit!
Allowing that was completely true, should the misconduct of others be the guide to our own? Is that the best model we can manage? I hope not. It's certainly not a flagship of moral or ethical leadership. So I'll hope for and argue for better.

Literally, yes it was false, or at least a misrepresentation of the Constitution concerning the roles of Staes & their citizens, and the role of the central government.
Not in any part, which is why you've yet to line it up. What particular? Which quote. Completely wrong headed of you. I haven't misrepresented a thing. Name it, in particular or you're letting that twice noted problem of lumping get the better of you.

Yet, as i read your post you attempt to delegitimize the states in lieu of a single populace under a central government...where have I read your statement wrong?
I don't know where you went wrong, but my best guess would be it's on par with the last couple and it goes to the particular political bias. I don't see this as a question of state vs federal. I see it as a simpler question of what should matter when it comes to electing a president.

You want a senator or representative then I think where you live within the country is self-evidently important. A president? No.

To quote the Deputy Director of the National Clearinghouse on Election Administration:

In order to appreciate the reasons for the Electoral College, it is essential to understand its historical context and the problem that the Founding Fathers were trying to solve. They faced the difficult question of how to elect a president in a nation that:


  • [*=left]was composed of thirteen large and small States jealous of their own rights and powers and suspicious of any central national government
    [*=left]contained only 4,000,000 people spread up and down a thousand miles of Atlantic seaboard barely connected by transportation or communication (so that national campaigns were impractical even if they had been thought desirable)
    [*=left]believed, under the influence of such British political thinkers as Henry St. John Bolingbroke, that political parties were mischievous if not downright evil, and
    [*=left]felt that gentlemen should not campaign for public office (The saying was "The office should seek the man, the man should not seek the office.").

Or, a great deal of what concerned the founders isn't applicable. What is reasonable in one age can be unreasonable (or at least unnecessary) in the next.

What does slavery have to do with it?
It's a context shaker, a way of suggesting that there were a few ideas this country and its founders had that were better amended, along with my prior note that a great deal of the EC had to do with the topography of the country and the problem of regionalism in an age when we all couldn't be familiar with a candidate from some great distance and when the regional distinctions were more meaningful.

BTW the size of government started it's biggest growth spurt under a democrat, FDR, you can't hang that albatross on just Republican necks
I don't know why not? Every Republican president in my lifetime has stridently grown government. Name the last one to shrink it. . . it's an issue without a champion outside of the rhetorical.

The same citation you posted when you said that the younger generation leans left wing
I've got source and citation on that. But I can't find one empirically demonstrating your speculation. And I think an examination of our nation's history is an illustration of a growing liberalism among its populace. Reagan noted it in his move from one party to the other. Many right wing conservative began to note the shift even within their own party (see: RINOs).

..I merely expounded that it has always been that way (from my observation anyway), I don't feel the need to cite it if you want to expound on it further you research it.
Then I'd say it's your belief and you're entitled to it, but it can't rise to a level of information without support.

Pretty much how I see it..
As someone who values a great deal of what defines conservative thinking and philosophy I hope that the political expression of it finds a way to inculcate that in the up and coming generations and peoples who will define America in the rest of this century. But I think that won't happen absent a real understanding of the jeopardy that is faced in a moment that on the surface seems immune to it.
 
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