toldailytopic: WWJD. Jesus was Jewish, so why wouldn't He want all of us to become Je

[Nathon Detroit]

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toldailytopic: WWJD. Jesus was Jewish, so why wouldn't He want all of us to become Jews?

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[bybee]

The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for October 14th, 2011 07:23 AM

toldailytopic: WWJD. Jesus was Jewish, so why wouldn't He want all of us to become Jews?

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The is a fabulous question!
Jesus came into the world to save sinners. No descriptive or restrictive adjectives are necessary.
No doubt He had to come through "The priestly chosen people". They were the one's who would understand what God was all about.
And some of them did, some of them didn't, just like today.

 

[HisServant]

The Jewish people were charged with a task which is no longer necessary.

Hence, Jews are now irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

One could also ask... was Melchizedek Jewish? (Nope.. impossible) and Jesus is now a priest in the order of Melchizedek... We we can assuredly state that Jesus is no longer Jewish after his resurrection.

 

[sky.]

Because the Bible spells out a plan for the Jewish Nation separate from the church. Jewish isn't a religion. Why would anyone want to become a Jew?

 

[Nick M]

Matthew 23

1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe,that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

There aren't many who can deal with this simple question from Knight, knowing the demands of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[bybee]

The Jewish people were charged with a task which is no longer necessary.

Hence, Jews are now irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

One could also ask... was Melchizedek Jewish? (Nope.. impossible) and Jesus is now a priest in the order of Melchizedek... We we can assuredly state that Jesus is no longer Jewish after his resurrection.

We are the people of God.

 

[Sherman]

This set of verses in Galatians answers this question nicely.

Galatians 4:21-31

21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Paul speaks using an allegory comparing freedom of BOC and the laws and regulations of Judaism.


25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

The BOC is admonished here to cast aside the old symbolic laws and and dietary regulations,- laws such as not wearing two different cloths together, the sacrificial system etc. Under Christ we are free and children of the promise. There is no need for Christians to convert to a brand of Judaism to be saved or to follow symbolic Jewish customs. Moral laws, however, still stand.

It is even plain from these scriptures that those that follow Judaism instead of attaching themselves to the BOC are not heirs.

 

[Stripe]

I don't know about becoming a Jew, but I wouldn't mind moving to Israel in about 30 years. :think:

 

[steko]

Bizzaro World:

After Yeshua resurrected, his eyes had turned blue and he now has blonde hair. His disciples didn't call him Yeshua anymore for his name had changed to the English-Jesus. When the angels spoke to the disciples at his ascension, they didn't say 'this same Yeshua', but they said in English, " this same Jesus will return sorta like he left...he's not coming back to the Mount of Olives, cause he's gonna' set down in Las Vegas. When he spoke to the Apostle Paul on the Damascus road, he didn't speak in Hebrew like Paul said that he did(that was a typo), he really spoke in English with a voice which sounded much like Alexander Scourby's. On the gates of the New Jerusalem will be inscribed the names of twelve of the most prominent men in the history of the western world, certainly none of them of that nasty Hebrew strain.

Good grief! :bang:

 

[JonahofAkron]

Bizzaro World:

After Yeshua resurrected, his eyes had turned blue and he now has blonde hair. His disciples didn't call him Yeshua anymore for his name had changed to the English-Jesus. When the angels spoke to the disciples at his ascension, they didn't say 'this same Yeshua', but they said in English, " this same Jesus will return sorta like he left...he's not coming back to the Mount of Olives, cause he's gonna' set down in Las Vegas. When he spoke to the Apostle Paul on the Damascus road, he didn't speak in Hebrew like Paul said that he did(that was a typo), he really spoke in English with a voice which sounded much like Alexander Scourby's. On the gates of the New Jerusalem will be inscribed the names of twelve of the most prominent men in the history of the western world, certainly none of them of that nasty Hebrew strain.

Good grief! :bang:

You forgot His usage of the KJV.

 

[Traditio]

What Christ did was fulfill/consummate the Jewish religion. If we became Jews, we'd be doing quite the opposite of what Christ did.

 

[Buzzword]

I think we need to verbalize the difference between Jew-RACE and Jew-RELIGION.

Jesus was born a Jew.
He was raised to believe in Judaism.

After His baptism, He was indwelt with the Holy Spirit, thus no longer needing the minutia of Judaism, which God gave to Moses in order to show that no one could ever follow them perfectly.

However, He was still Jewish in ethnic terms.

 

[Caino]

Because we weren’t supposed to put the new wine into the old wine skins.

 

[red cardinal]

Bizzaro World:

After Yeshua resurrected, his eyes had turned blue and he now has blonde hair. His disciples didn't call him Yeshua anymore for his name had changed to the English-Jesus. When the angels spoke to the disciples at his ascension, they didn't say 'this same Yeshua', but they said in English, " this same Jesus will return sorta like he left...he's not coming back to the Mount of Olives, cause he's gonna' set down in Las Vegas. When he spoke to the Apostle Paul on the Damascus road, he didn't speak in Hebrew like Paul said that he did(that was a typo), he really spoke in English with a voice which sounded much like Alexander Scourby's. On the gates of the New Jerusalem will be inscribed the names of twelve of the most prominent men in the history of the western world, certainly none of them of that nasty Hebrew strain.

Good grief! :bang:

For many of us who believe that Jesus is God manifest in the flesh - we know that Jesus was born Jewish > bodily .... fulfilling prophecy that salvation is of the Jews. Spiritually, as we know from Paul, there is no Jew or Gentile in Spirit/in Christ, so I think we can assume from Scripture that Jesus is not now Jewish ... He is the Lord from Heaven, not an ethnic Lord.

In the Messianic Hebrew Roots movement or also known as going back to one's Hebraic Roots or the ancient paths, the "problem" of Jesus and the new covenant .... has to be reworked for Jesus to retain His Jewishness in order for adherents to maintain a Torah [Mosaic Law] lifestyle [to be like Jesus]. This adds a complexity to the Gospel that is not there, but rather, in reality ... denies the new covenant in Christ.

If I may also add, the Jews spoke Greek as their primary language [historical evidence], which is why the NT was written in Greek. They also spoke Hebrew and Aramaic - also shown within the NT. So we know that Jesus was called "Iesous" [transliterated from the Hebrew] - the Greeks could not pronounce "Yeshua" [His Hebrew Name]. We can see by internal evidence that Jesus was called Iesous. But that is another topic for another day

When the angels stated that Jesus was going to return as He left, they were not referring to His ethnicity, but that He would return to the Mt of Olives on the clouds of Glory as the Lord of all

The 12 tribes as listed in Revelation would probably be best explained as allegorical >>> as we do not know which tribes those would be. Unless you believe that in Heaven, in our incorruptible bodies, will we all retain our ethnic "roots"? And if this is so, then which gate will the Gentiles enter Jerusalem?

Finally, I wanted to show how Jesus appeared to John in Revelation - it is obvious from the text that Jesus was not "Jewish" in appearance ....

Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

 

[elohiym]

Christianity is sect of Judaism (Jn 4:22). There is no ethnicity in Christ, and no male or female (Gal 3:28).

 

[steko]

Aside from my earlier rant, Jesus obviously doesn't want Gentiles to become Jews or there would have been a different outcome in Acts 15 and in much of what Paul explained in his letters. However, that doesn't mean Jews who receive their Messiah are to become Gentiles either. Jewishness is not erradicated by the Cross(a subtle 'final solution'), though many want it so.
Napoleon had the brilliant idea that if all Jews were converted and absorbed into the Christian religion, it would solve the problem of the existence of the Jews. What do people not get about the sun, the moon and the stars still shining? (Jer 30-33)

More later.

 

[HisServant]

Aside from my earlier rant, Jesus obviously doesn't want Gentiles to become Jews or there would have been a different outcome in Acts 15 and in much of what Paul explained in his letters. However, that doesn't mean Jews who receive their Messiah are to become Gentiles either. Jewishness is not erradicated by the Cross(a subtle 'final solution'), though many want it so.
Napoleon had the brilliant idea that if all Jews were converted and absorbed into the Christian religion, it would solve the problem of the existence of the Jews. What do people not get about the sun, the moon and the stars still shining? (Jer 30-33)

More later.

There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ.

Is that so hard to understand.. you cannot be a Jew and be in Christ.. neither can you be a Gentile.. Christians are something totally different and unique.

 

[Krsto]

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toldailytopic: WWJD. Jesus was Jewish, so why wouldn't He want all of us to become Jews?

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Well I think it's hard to be a blonde and be Jewish unless you resort to un-natural hair coloring and I don't think Jesus was into that sort of thing. :idunno:

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ.

Is that so hard to understand.. you cannot be a Jew and be in Christ.. neither can you be a Gentile.. Christians are something totally different and unique.

Can you be a male and be in Christ?

 

[HisServant]

Can you be a male and be in Christ?

Interesting question... it depends on the context and how you act it out.

Within the context of the church.. acting 'sexist' is not Christ like.. so no.