Three of This Past Week's School Shootings

[Jefferson]

Three of This Past Week's School Shootings

Wednesday September 20th, 2006. This is show #188.

Summary:

* Montreal: A week ago today, at Dawson College, a murderer who enjoyed the online Columbine game and who dressed in a black trench coat like the Klebold and Harris murderers, killed one woman and wounded 20 students, before committing suicide.

* Green Bay: Six days ago, police foiled a Columbine-style plan to bomb and shoot students at a high school, three have been arrested.

* Pittsburgh: Two days ago, a suspended student brought a group of armed teenagers into the Duquesne student union where one of them, an 18-year old, shot five basketball players after a dance. Three remain hospitalized.

* Dad Calls Columbine Gamer a Liar: Danny LeDonne says he created the online Columbine game as a way of dealing with the Columbine shootings. Brian Rohrbough, father of murdered son Danny, said LeDonne is a liar, and that he didn't create the game for what would be some kind of perverse therapy, but that LeDonne trivialized Danny's murder and glorified the killers.

* David from Boone IA: gets a challenge from Brian to arrange to call into the program to answer some direct questions about his belief that God has conceived and orchestrates every evil, filthy and perverse action, including rape and production of child pornography.

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[CRASH]

Public Schools continue to pump out the GNP (Gross National Product)


I wonder if these shootings have anything to with the fact that these kids are indoctrinated into athiestic, evolutionary ideology for 12 years straight.

"If it feels good - do it!"
"There is no God"
"You are just an animal"
"There are no right or wrong answers"

 

[Granite]

Nice way to blame the schools and not crappy parenting for these teenage deviants.

 

[Jefferson]

Nice way to blame the schools and not crappy parenting for these teenage deviants.

It's both. Parents who put their kids in our government schools are, by definition, crappy parents.

 

[Granite]

As though many parents have a choice or the means to do otherwise.

 

[Servo]

As though many parents have a choice or the means to do otherwise.

For many it may be tough to have the mother at home so she can home school, but it can be done.

A lot of people out there insist on having the new house and new cars which requires two incomes, but it doesn’t have to be that way. People can sacrifice the new house for the sake of not sacrificing their children.

 

[Granite]

For many it may be tough to have the mother at home so she can home school, but it can be done.

A lot of people out there insist on having the new house and new cars which requires two incomes, but it doesn’t have to be that way. People can sacrifice the new house for the sake of not sacrificing their children.

It can be but declaring a parent is a "crappy parent" for sending their kids to a public school is arrogant and presumptuous in the extreme. I'm no advocate of public education (nor did I experience it), so don't get me wrong. But for many people there is simply no other alternative. It's easy to be an armchair expert.

 

[Servo]

It can be but declaring a parent is a "crappy parent" for sending their kids to a public school is arrogant and presumptuous in the extreme. I'm no advocate of public education (nor did I experience it), so don't get me wrong. But for many people there is simply no other alternative. It's easy to be an armchair expert.

Sending your child to a place where you know they will be harmed does not make you a crappy parent?

 

[Granite]

Sending your child to a place where you know they will be harmed does not make you a crappy parent?

Public school doesn't guarantee harm. I know too many people who went through the system and emerged just ducky to buy into that kind of thinking. It is unreasonable and presumptuous to think that every single parent who sends their kids to a public school is consigning them to a stretch in harm's way.

 

[Servo]

Public school doesn't guarantee harm. I know too many people who went through the system and emerged just ducky to buy into that kind of thinking. It is unreasonable and presumptuous to think that every single parent who sends their kids to a public school is consigning them to a stretch in harm's way.

Well a Christian parent can be guaranteed that their child will be taught things that are counter to God's Word.

 

[Granite]

Well a Christian parent can be guaranteed that their child will be taught things that are counter to God's Word.

If the Christian parents are doing their job at the school level, they should be reasonably sure that their kids will be able to withstand what they're taught. Right? Unless you're not comfortable relying on the parenting skills of Christians...:think:

P.S. Christians everywhere and at every age run into things counter to scripture.

 

[Servo]

If the Christian parents are doing their job at the school level, they should be reasonably sure that their kids will be able to withstand what they're taught. Right? Unless you're not comfortable relying on the parenting skills of Christians...:think:

Parents see their children a little at night and on weekends verse eight or more hours a day of public school indoctrination. I would say the public schools have the advantage here.

P.S. Christians everywhere and at every age run into things counter to scripture.

Again, facing that eight hours a day, constantly, no child is ready for that. They will give in.

Raise them right and it shouldn't be a problem when they are adults.

 

[Granite]

Granite, I really apologize for hatcheting your post here. I was quoting you for a reply and I guess I hit "edit" instead of "reply" :doh:

Jefferson

 

[Jefferson]

I know too many people who went through the system and emerged just ducky

Granite's definition of a person with "just ducky" character - "To urinate on the God Who shed His blood for you."

 

[Jefferson]

Strange that you give public schools so much credit there.

It's not credit. It's the combination of adults, the authority figures and the entire school societal peer pressure structure all lined up against 1 child. Give me a break Granite. No child can come out of that kind of disadvantage without his faith shaken, which is, of course, the goal of the government schools.

 

[Granite]

It's not credit. It's the combination of adults, the authority figures and the entire school societal peer pressure structure all lined up against 1 child. Give me a break Granite. No child can come out of that kind of disadvantage without his faith shaken, which is, of course, the goal of the government schools.

You'd expect the inverse would be true, but I know many folks who are products of parochial schools who make public school grads look like Mother Friggin' Theresa.

I would think self-confidence or at least a stout upbringing would prepare a child for the challenges of public school, such as they are. I think you're blaming both parents and the system for the problem, but also putting incredibly high expectations on many parents.

 

[hitek357]

I'm not sure why we continue to debate about public schools vs. private schools vs. home schools. Doesn't anyone here but me question the morality of compulsory education? I personally know people of all kinds - atheists, Christians, and drummers - who DON'T believe that it is moral to compel parents to "educate" their kids - and according to someone else's definition of education.

 

[Granite]

Very true. Let's not also forget that some parents, no matter what, are simply not cut out to be instructors.

 

[fool]

It's not credit. It's the combination of adults, the authority figures and the entire school societal peer pressure structure all lined up against 1 child. Give me a break Granite. No child can come out of that kind of disadvantage without his faith shaken, which is, of course, the goal of the government schools.

I seem to remember it more like 30 children against one adult.

 

[Nomad]

It's not credit. It's the combination of adults, the authority figures and the entire school societal peer pressure structure all lined up against 1 child. Give me a break Granite. No child can come out of that kind of disadvantage without his faith shaken, which is, of course, the goal of the government schools.

is a shaken faith a bad thing? Maybe, but in the long run it should make them stronger