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All are alive to God.
Luke 20:38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive."
The Truth About Melchizedek
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All are alive to God.
Luke 20:38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive."
Ben Masada
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The Truth about Melchizedek
The Truth about Melchizedek
1 - When did God say that? Can you quote it in the Tanach? No, you can't. Anyway, I accept the testimony of Jesus while he could give it in life. Nothing can come from the dead. (Isa. 38:18,19)
2 - Yes, I do believe the son of God but according to Exodus 4:22,23. "Israel is My son..." Just according to the gospel of Jesus. But for you to believe in the son of God, you must do it according to the gospel of Paul. (Acts 9:20)
3 - It has already been revealed to me because mine and the Faith of Jesus are one and the same aka Judaism. You can't deny that Jesus was a Jew.
4 - The Holy Bible of Jesus was the Tanach. He never even dreamed the NT would ever be written.
5 - Have you ever died before or have you ever seen any one returning from death? No. So, what do you know about literal death?
6 - There is nothing everlasting in "...just until a person dies." That's a paradox.
7 - Now, compare Dan. 12:2 with Ezek. 37:12. The multitudes that sleep in the dust of the earth are the same as the dry bones of Ezekiel aka Jews in exile. Some will awake to everlasting life which is an embellishment for returning to the Land of Israel. Others to shame and everlasting contempt aka to remain in exile as a slave that is given freedom and he prefers to remain a slave to his master in a self act of shame and contempt.
8 - Just like Ezek. 37:12. And if you read Isa. 53:8,9 when Jews are forced into exile, it is as if they have been cut off from the land of the living aka Israel and graves are assigned to them among the Gentiles. Now, in Ezek 37:12, when the exile is over, the Lord opens up those graves and brings the Jews back to the land of Israel.
9 - I don't blame you if you cannot understand that Isaiah is describing the Jewish joy when the exile is over and they return to the Land of Israel. That's what he means in Isa. 25:8.
10 - "Sick skin". He was sick of his skin, don't forget it! Job meant after his healing and his recovery of all he had before he got sick. Then he would enjoy God's presence again. To see the Lord, no one can and still live. (Exod. 33:20)
The Truth about Melchizedek
1 - When did God say that? Can you quote it in the Tanach? No, you can't. Anyway, I accept the testimony of Jesus while he could give it in life. Nothing can come from the dead. (Isa. 38:18,19)
2 - Yes, I do believe the son of God but according to Exodus 4:22,23. "Israel is My son..." Just according to the gospel of Jesus. But for you to believe in the son of God, you must do it according to the gospel of Paul. (Acts 9:20)
3 - It has already been revealed to me because mine and the Faith of Jesus are one and the same aka Judaism. You can't deny that Jesus was a Jew.
4 - The Holy Bible of Jesus was the Tanach. He never even dreamed the NT would ever be written.
5 - Have you ever died before or have you ever seen any one returning from death? No. So, what do you know about literal death?
6 - There is nothing everlasting in "...just until a person dies." That's a paradox.
7 - Now, compare Dan. 12:2 with Ezek. 37:12. The multitudes that sleep in the dust of the earth are the same as the dry bones of Ezekiel aka Jews in exile. Some will awake to everlasting life which is an embellishment for returning to the Land of Israel. Others to shame and everlasting contempt aka to remain in exile as a slave that is given freedom and he prefers to remain a slave to his master in a self act of shame and contempt.
8 - Just like Ezek. 37:12. And if you read Isa. 53:8,9 when Jews are forced into exile, it is as if they have been cut off from the land of the living aka Israel and graves are assigned to them among the Gentiles. Now, in Ezek 37:12, when the exile is over, the Lord opens up those graves and brings the Jews back to the land of Israel.
9 - I don't blame you if you cannot understand that Isaiah is describing the Jewish joy when the exile is over and they return to the Land of Israel. That's what he means in Isa. 25:8.
10 - "Sick skin". He was sick of his skin, don't forget it! Job meant after his healing and his recovery of all he had before he got sick. Then he would enjoy God's presence again. To see the Lord, no one can and still live. (Exod. 33:20)
Ben Masada
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The Truth about Melchizedek
The Truth about Melchizedek
Of course! But only according to the gospel of Paul. You have to believe him; you are a Christian. I ain't.
The Truth about Melchizedek
Of course! But only according to the gospel of Paul. You have to believe him; you are a Christian. I ain't.
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You told another poster they did not know the scriptures, and then you quoted New Testament scriptures.
I showed you that you are the one who does not know the scriptures.
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You still have not disproved the fact that sleeping in the dust is about a physical death, and everlasting life is life without death.
One must remember that the Old Testament people did not yet have the entire gospel.
Ecclesiastes is about earthly man. Read what Solomon says in Ecclesiastes in 3:18-21 I also thought, “As for men, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. 19Man’s fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. 20 All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?”
Did you read how Solomon says, “Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?” Solomon says, “Who knows…” Surely, the New Testament teaches us about what is spiritual and about what happens to us spiritually.
Solomon speaking abut going to the dust is more proof that the scriptures I gave you are about a literal physical death.
Acts 23:8 (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees believe all these things.)
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The Truth about Melchizedek
The Truth about Melchizedek
You don't have to tell me what I know or don't know. Just try me.
The Truth about Melchizedek
You don't have to tell me what I know or don't know. Just try me.
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I have already shown you.
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The Truth about Melchizedek
The Truth about Melchizedek
1 - Sleeping in the dust is physical death. And life without death does not exist; therefore, there is no everlasting life. (Gen. 3:22,23)
2 - The gospels in the NT is not for the Jews but for Christians. We have the Tanach.
3 - Humans are different from the animals during the lifetime but at death, there is no difference between one and the other. They are all the same.
4 - Spirit here is a reference to the breath of life and, "goes back to God Who gave it" is an embellishment for gone with the wind. No difference between man and the animal.
5 - That's exactly what "going to the dust" means: Physical death.
6 - Prove it! You can't because all you have is the NT aka the gospel of Paul. Are we to expect that Paul would say that there is no bodily resurrection if he was the one who fabricated the resurrection of Jesus? Read II Tim. 2:8. He said to his disciple Timothy that it was according to his own gospel - Paul's gospel - that Jesus resurrected. In the gospel of Jesus there is no bodily resurrection. Sadducees and Pharisees, none believed in bodily resurrection. Only according to the gospel of Paul the Pharisees did.
The Truth about Melchizedek
1 - Sleeping in the dust is physical death. And life without death does not exist; therefore, there is no everlasting life. (Gen. 3:22,23)
2 - The gospels in the NT is not for the Jews but for Christians. We have the Tanach.
3 - Humans are different from the animals during the lifetime but at death, there is no difference between one and the other. They are all the same.
4 - Spirit here is a reference to the breath of life and, "goes back to God Who gave it" is an embellishment for gone with the wind. No difference between man and the animal.
5 - That's exactly what "going to the dust" means: Physical death.
6 - Prove it! You can't because all you have is the NT aka the gospel of Paul. Are we to expect that Paul would say that there is no bodily resurrection if he was the one who fabricated the resurrection of Jesus? Read II Tim. 2:8. He said to his disciple Timothy that it was according to his own gospel - Paul's gospel - that Jesus resurrected. In the gospel of Jesus there is no bodily resurrection. Sadducees and Pharisees, none believed in bodily resurrection. Only according to the gospel of Paul the Pharisees did.
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You cannot prove that the New Testament is false.
That will not ever happen.
Especially not just because you said so.
Ben Masada
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The Truth about Melchizedek
The Truth about Melchizedek
In the NT! Show me in the Tanach. I have already told you: I ain't a Christian.
The Truth about Melchizedek
In the NT! Show me in the Tanach. I have already told you: I ain't a Christian.
Ben Masada
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The Truth about Melchizedek
The Truth about Melchizedek
The NT itself proves how false it is. Just read it alongside the Tanach
which was the gospel of Jesus and you will see what I am talking about.
The Truth about Melchizedek
The NT itself proves how false it is. Just read it alongside the Tanach
which was the gospel of Jesus and you will see what I am talking about.
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Ben Masada
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The Truth about Melchizedek
The Truth about Melchizedek
I can't! He was a Jew and you are using him to teach against his own Faith which was Judaism and just happened to be the same as mine. I have got to stand for his Faith since he no longer can do it.
The Truth about Melchizedek
I can't! He was a Jew and you are using him to teach against his own Faith which was Judaism and just happened to be the same as mine. I have got to stand for his Faith since he no longer can do it.
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You do not know Christ, and what you think you know, you got it from the writings from Jews (the Christians) about the Christ, in the New Testament.
Ben Masada
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The Truth about Melchizedek
The Truth about Melchizedek
No offense meant, but you have decided to play a childish game with me and I don't have much time available.
The Truth about Melchizedek
No offense meant, but you have decided to play a childish game with me and I don't have much time available.
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You are mighty thinking you can rewrite the New Testament.
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The Truth about Melchizedek
The Truth about Melchizedek
Why, because I can see truths that you can't? The reason is because you are intoxicated with Christian pre-conceived notions and, your faith won't allow you to read any thing that poses a threat against the gospel of Paul. That's why. Give a chance to the Truth and you will believe by sight what you cannot by walking by faith only. (II Cor. 5:7)
The Truth about Melchizedek
Why, because I can see truths that you can't? The reason is because you are intoxicated with Christian pre-conceived notions and, your faith won't allow you to read any thing that poses a threat against the gospel of Paul. That's why. Give a chance to the Truth and you will believe by sight what you cannot by walking by faith only. (II Cor. 5:7)