SaulToPaul 2
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Caught up to meet him in the clouds
vs
In that day, his feet shall stand on the Mt of Olives
Cannot be the same, if words have ANY meaning.
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Caught up to meet him in the clouds
vs
In that day, his feet shall stand on the Mt of Olives
Cannot be the same, if words have ANY meaning.
Hey, LA, stay off that LA Freeway.
In an odd sort of way.
Interplanner
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With so much of Zech interpreted by the apostles, I don't know why this one gets picked out to mean something is supposed to happen in Judea, in our future, when there is nothing else in the NT that says that the 2nd coming needs to have anything happen in Judea in order to take place: Rom 2, 8, I Cor 15, Heb 9, 2 Peter 3, 2 Tim 2.
If words mean anything.
2P2P being a myth of course.
SaulToPaul 2
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If an OT promise is not mentioned in the NT, God is not enabling you to forget about it...or write it off.
Be a believer.
TweetyBird
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Where did I ever say that Peter was teaching circumcision in Acts 15, or that If I was a Jew it was a way to celebrate or worship God .... etc?
You must be referring to someone else.
TweetyBird
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TweetyBird
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What OT promise that is "not mentioned in the NT" is written off? Jesus said He fulfilled all the Law and Prophets in regard to Himself. And promised He would return. It's not that difficult
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SaulToPaul 2
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Is that what he said?
SaulToPaul 2
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TweetyBird
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Yes.
Luke 24
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 26 ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
43 And he took it, and did eat before them. 44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,46 and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things. 49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
TweetyBird
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The Land promises were fulfilled in the OT. There is no promise of the land in the NT because Israel was in the land, had been there since 500ish BC. They are still there ...... But that is not what the OT saints were looking for - they were looking past that to a better promise:
Heb 11
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10 for he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Not only are those passages - when properly diagrammed out - relating the exact opposite of what you are asserting, but when done so in light of the multiplicity of other passages those passages you cited are more, merely a summary of.
TweetyBird
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:jawdrop::chuckle::sherlock:
You're seeing puddy tats again :chuckle:
Interplanner
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Not so Danoh, he meant the Jerusalem above. the idea is: they weren't thinking of Israel, and they weren't thinking of going back to Persia or Babylon, which they could have done. The prepared city is where, and it is qualified as heavenly. This does not mean a place on earth that is adored as heavenly, because in a chapter or two he elaborates on all the things going on in it.
You are quite mistaken.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
LA
As you have just proven by your own confusion once more - Paul's mention of Abraham throws many off...
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.