c.moore,
no, Jesus has already done the obedience for us and , yes I am trying to tell you what that verse said , and that is Christ kept His commandment for us He paid it all on the cross praise God,
Christ lived a perfect obedient, sinless life before His Father, and was therefore an acceptable sacrifice to bear the sins of the world and give the hope of salvation through Him. That I will agree with. It was because of His obedience to the Father that salavation was made
possible.
But even after that, Christ expects US to keep His commandments. Just look at the Great Commission:
Mat 28:19-20 (MKJV)
19) Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20) teaching THEM to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days until the end of the world. Amen.
Christ does indeed expect US to keep His commandments. Christ told His apostles to teach PEOPLE to keep His commandments, not Himself. If Christ kept His commandments for us, the once one obeyed the gospel, it would be impossible for them to lose their salvation... because Christ would be keeping His commandments for them and Christ is perfect. That would make OSAS true, which is not true at all:
James 5:19-20 (MJKV)
19) Brothers, if anyone among you err from the truth, and if anyone turns him back,
20) know that he who turns back the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
It would be impossible for a brother to "err" from the truth if Christ kept our commandments, but James clearly shows that it is possible.
Also, consider the words of Paul:
1 Cor. 7:19 (NKJ)
19) Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
Why would Paul tell the Corinthians that keeping the commandments of God is what matters if Christ kept them for them? There would be NO need for Paul to say anything.
We may have the Holy Spirit guiding our lives, but we can certainly not listen to Him and it is OUR responsibility to observed His commandments.
before even getting wet we are saved and washed before any baptisim by the blood that make us white as snow
If we were washed of ours sins BEFORE baptism, then why did Peter tell the Jews in Acts 2:38 to be baptized
for the remission of sins AFTER they believed?
Let me ask you what comes first the blood washing of Jesus or the water washing of getting your body wet???
Christ has already shed His blood so that our sins can be forgiven over 2000 years ago. Forgiveness of sins has since then been made available to all mankind. However, only those who do what Christ
commanded for the remission of sins would be washed clean by His blood (otherwise everybody would have their sins forgiven for doing nothing).
I've already tried to explain to you in times past that baptism is FOR the remission of sins. The is the avenue that God provided for us to have our sins forgiven, which is exactly why Peter commanded the Jews
to be baptized for the remission of sins. Baptism is an act obedience that is done for the remission of sins. Acts 2:38 and Romans 6 make that quite clear.
By obeying this commandment, we are washed by the blood of Jesus, because we have obeyed what Christ commanded
for the remission of sins. When Christ tells us what to do in order to have our sins forgiven, if we don't do it, our sins will NOT be forgiven.... it's that simple. Just why do you think that Christ commanded baptism?
What washes our sins away the water or the Blood of Jesus???
See above.
You even said you would want you sins taken away instantly, and doesn`t the blood of Christ , and repentance be enough to clean you righteous , and your name be in the book of life???
See above.
Do I drive my car before I start it , is this what you are teaching????
I have never taught in that manner. I've already showed you in times past how rediculous that would be. As I've said before, if I taught in that manner, that would mean that I would approach a person and tell him to be baptized. Can you even imagine a person going up to somebody and the first thing he says is "Hey, I need to baptize you! Can I?" Absurd. That would be what I would tell people if I taught that way. That just doesn't make ANY sense.
First I would tell them about Christ, and if they believed, I would have them baptized for the remission of their sins,
just as it happened in the first recorded gospel sermon in Acts 2. Belief came first in Acts 2, and that's the only logical way to approach it. People won't get baptized into somebody they've never heard of!! They would first have to hear and believe, just as in Acts 2.
