The death penalty in the USA

[BillyBob]

Philo;
It's moral but needs fixing.

Billy;
Is moral and not used enough.

Philo;
For one, no inmates should be able to sit in Death Row for 5, 10, 15 plus years making hundreds of appeals. Justice deserves much more speed.

Billy;
I agree. Bailiffs are usually armed with a pistol, there could be a room next to the courtroom that when a guilty verdict is rendered, the bailiff escorts the guilty criminal, sits him in a chair next to a floor drain and puts a bullet in his head. Afterward, his family can claim the body at their expense or they can just toss him into a furnace.

Swift, clean, inexpensive, just.

 

[brother Willi]

He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just , Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD. Proverbs 17:15
If you justify letting a few JUST MEN be killed, as some here say.
What are you doing?

We live in a world so different from the past.
Will the testemony of an atheist be OK in court?
HOW CAN IT BE?
an atheist putting his hand on the Bible has no meaning!

 

[Christine]

I voted that it is moral, but not used enough. However, after thinking about it, I deceided that our laws here in America are not ideal. We have a very high murder rate. Columbus, Ohio places in the top ten of the amount of murders commited in a single city per year. They have several murders a week. Something is not working.

 

[BillyBob]

Christine;
They have several murders a week. Something is not working.

Billy;
Yeah, they should just start rounding up and executing murderers wholesale. I know that Columbus has a large 'black' population, I would be interested in knowing the stats of who's murdered. Those guys kill each other all the time.....

 

[Turbo]

Originally posted by HillbillyWilli
He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just , Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD. Proverbs 17:15
If you justify letting a few JUST MEN be killed, as some here say.
What are you doing?

We live in a world so different from the past.
Will the testemony of an atheist be OK in court?
HOW CAN IT BE?
an atheist putting his hand on the Bible has no meaning!

I'm not saying that innocent people should be put to death intentionally. That would be abhorrent. I'm saying that we should not skew the system so that some people for which there is strong evidence of guilt end up going free in an attempt to lessen the risk of accidentally executing an innocent.

Both condemning the innocent and justifying the guilty are an abomination when done intentionally or irresponsibly, but humans are also subject to making an error either way. And God knows this. Do you think that when He commanded the death penalty, He didn't realize that sometimes mistakes would be made?

 

[Crow]

Originally posted by Christine
I voted that it is moral, but not used enough. However, after thinking about it, I deceided that our laws here in America are not ideal. We have a very high murder rate. Columbus, Ohio places in the top ten of the amount of murders commited in a single city per year. They have several murders a week. Something is not working.

I'm moving to Columbus within a couple of months. I know one house were whether to administer capital punishment or not will be a moot point if someone cares to break and enter.

 

[philosophizer]

Originally posted by Tiny Net
I agree that perhaps limiting the amount of appeals is the wrong course of action, but I do not think those who are guilty should get to sit on a cell for years bogging down the justice system with a ton of appeals. I dont want to see the innocent people convicted and murdered for a crime they didnt convict, but I also dont want to see the guilty sitting on death row for years at a time.

Well, that's because the trail system could use some fixing too. After all, what are appeals? Post-trial claims of stuff that went wrong. Make sure to take care of all that in the trial and make no mistakes. Fix the trial system too and the convicted would only need one appeal, if that.

 

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Tiny Net
So you are suggesting that if we are going to be guilty of doing one of the two its better to kill the innocent than to release the guilty?

Not if you operate under the assumption that no one is truly innocent. Everyone is guilty of something...

 

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Tiny Net
What you are saying is making sense but it is hard for me to just write off the people who are executed but were innocent, even if their number is small.

Look at it this way: if that innocent person was a believer, he's been sent off to meet Jesus that much sooner. He should welcome death with open arms. He should be happy!

 

[Gerald]

Originally posted by BillyBob
I agree. Bailiffs are usually armed with a pistol, there could be a room next to the courtroom that when a guilty verdict is rendered, the bailiff escorts the guilty criminal, sits him in a chair next to a floor drain and puts a bullet in his head. Afterward, his family can claim the body at their expense or they can just toss him into a furnace.

Swift, clean, inexpensive, just.

No. Don't let the family claim the body. Put it on display, to rot in full public sight.

"A man gone is soon forgotten; a head on a gate is long remembered."

 

[Gerald]

Originally posted by HillbillyWilli
We live in a world so different from the past.
Will the testemony of an atheist be OK in court?
HOW CAN IT BE?
an atheist putting his hand on the Bible has no meaning!

You do realize, of course, that an atheist is by definition a blasphemer, an idolater and an apostate...

 

[BillyBob]

OK with me. Seems like it would draw a lot of flies.

 

[philosophizer]

Originally posted by Gerald
"A man gone is soon forgotten; a head on a gate is long remembered."

Whose quote is that?

 

[Gerald]

Originally posted by BillyBob
OK with me. Seems like it would draw a lot of flies.

We have bug zappers now. Ain't technology grand?
:chuckle:

 

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Gerald
Look at it this way: if that innocent person was a believer, he's been sent off to meet Jesus that much sooner. He should welcome death with open arms. He should be happy!

And his family, his loved ones?

I tell you this.
If you all are good Christians, Then I am not.
I would move a mountain to make sure an inocent man did not die .

 

[Gerald]

Originally posted by philosophizer
Whose quote is that?

I'm not sure; my mother (yes, I do have one...) taught it to me and attributed it to Tsar Nicholas II.

I've done some searches, but have thus far come up empty.

 

[Gerald]

Originally posted by HillbillyWilli
And his family, his loved ones?

I tell you this.
If you all are good Christians, Then I am not.
I would move a mountain to make sure an inocent man did not die .

Well, I can make no claim on the "good Christian" label...:chuckle:

 

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Gerald
You do realize, of course, that an atheist is by definition a blasphemer, an idolater and an apostate...

Yes I do.
So I ask, can you put a man to death on an atheists say so?
what good are 3 atheist witnesses?

 

[BillyBob]

Gerald;
I'm not sure; my mother (yes, I do have one...) taught it to me and attributed it to Tsar Nicholas II.

Billy;
Your MOM taught you that? That explains alot........

 

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Gerald
Well, I can make no claim on the "good Christian" label...:chuckle:

And neither can I.
We can only do our very best.