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S†ephen

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I could care less about whether you think it's unconstitutional. It's what's right. One law, for the entire nation. That's the only standard acceptable. I could care less if it comes from the President, or congress, or anywhere else, I want one law. No murder.

Well, no offense, but I could care less about what you want. It's what God wants. And God doesn't want a dictatorship, a single man who wields all the power. I don't care if Alan Keyes was Saint Paul I would not elect him into that position, neither would God. You want a total dictatorship where the dirty work is done in secret to make your life better.

Let me ask you this. Which is a more important document:

A. The Bible
B. The US Constitution

The Bible.

Going on this logic let's rid ourselves of all government as we both know Satan controls it.

A follow up question. Who's opininon would you find to be more important if they had opposing views:

A. The Founding fathers
B. God the Heavenly Father

God.

So like I said, let's start a revolution. You with me?

Maybe we'll have slavery and Civil Wars again too, nothing like repeating history and ignoring its lessons.

And maybe when Alan Keyes leaves we'll have abortion again! :eek:

That's like saying: "How do you know jumping off of a cliff will hurt, you've never tried it before."

No, but I know that making everything legal and eliminating police departments is not the answer. If you remove what little semblance of law and order we do have in this country you wouldn't have a country to live in for very long. Wickedness runs rampant already. And you want to embolden and allow criminals to do their thing unchecked?

You have absolutely no evidence to back up this statement. You have never seen it before.

Completely off-topic, and we've already been down this road. I've explained the position I hold to you, why do you insist on continuing to misconstrue it over and over again. I'll say it again: It isn't murder for the government to put to death capital criminals.

Homosexuality isn't a capital crime.

You keep ignoring that in favor of an argument that you like. Your dad even agrees that there should be some instances where people should be put to death.

I'd sure like to know what your answer to this question is:

Was God wrong in calling for the death penalty for homosexuals? Did He know what He was doing? Bypassing for the moment whether you think it should be a capital crime today, was God WRONG in calling for the death penalty for homosexuals and was it murder for the government of that day to enforce the capital crimes that God said should be enforced? Please answer this question or do not EVER bring up the topic of death penalty for homosexuals again with me.

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No it wasn't wrong. Because God was in direct contact with a special race of people he had set aside to be pure. Why don't you ask me if it was wrong for God to make Sampson have long hair.

CONTEXT

Answer me this: Are you willing to support killing people who have never harmed you.


But a God-fearing leader or leaders could take the current system and make a complete and total change.

Which is what Alan Keys isn't going to do. He is going to use the same system we have now. The man is a coward who won't destroy the evil oppression we have now.
 

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I get that from the people who spout off about how the United States were never supposed to be United States. I think your definition of states rights is somewhat different from the other views I've seen. Why don't you educate us all on exactly what your particular views are since we're missing the boat according to you?

Do you think that the murder of innocent babies in the womb should be up to each individual state to decide or not? Aren't you the one who is repeatedly speaking against having a centralized form of government in favor of 50 sovereign states?

The federal government's intended and proper role is to provide for national defense, foreign policy, and revenue (Article 1, Section 8, of the constitution pretty much spells this out). I see very few, if any powers beyond that they lie in the fed's bailiwick. In turn, such power should be held in the hands of the states. Any violation of this trust on the part of Washington is a direct violation of state sovereignty and should be construed as intrusive tyranny. Any willingness to submit to this kind of centralized power is slavish and absurd.

I believe the issue of abortion, like virtually any other, should be decided and controlled by the states of the union and not by Washington. Hopefully by spelling this out I've cleared up any lingering confusion (and spared you and others the pain and time of responding to my previous post on page 76 of this thread).
 

S†ephen

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Take the stand! Murder will no longer be tolerated anywhere! That's the battle we fight. Ron Paul is not the answer because he will NOT take that stand.

"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all.

We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say we want no religion at all. We object to state enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise the grain.


- Excerpt from The Law
By Frederick Bastiat
 

PKevman

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"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all.

We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say we want no religion at all. We object to state enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise the grain.


- Excerpt from The Law
By Frederick Bastiat

Now can you enlighten us as to the point of posting that? Are you calling me a socialist?
 

PKevman

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Stephen said:
Going on this logic let's rid ourselves of all government as we both know Satan controls it.

So it is your position that ALL government is evil, correct? That there should be no government of any type anywhere. Right?
 

PKevman

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Stephen said:
No it wasn't wrong. Because God was in direct contact with a special race of people he had set aside to be pure. Why don't you ask me if it was wrong for God to make Sampson have long hair.

Is it then your position that homosexuality was only wrong and punishable by death when God was dealing with Israel as His special people?
 

S†ephen

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Is it then your position that homosexuality was only wrong and punishable by death when God was dealing with Israel as His special people?

Yes. It was only punishable by death when God was in specific physical interaction with them and it was the Israelite race only.
 

PKevman

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Yes. Only law. No government.

Since you believe that all government is wicked and that all law enforcement officers are wicked, then who would you prefer to enforce the laws that existed? Do you really understand what type of society you are trying to say should be in existence? Is it your position that each individual citizen would enforce the law themselves? Is THAT your position?
 

PKevman

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Yes. It was only punishable by death when God was in specific physical interaction with them and it was the Israelite race only.

Paul said homosexuals were deserving of death. God utterly destroyed the wicked homosexuals of Sodom for their sin.

You might want to further research what the Bible has to say on this topic. :)
 

S†ephen

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Since you believe that all government is wicked and that all law enforcement officers are wicked, then who would you prefer to enforce the laws that existed? Do you really understand what type of society you are trying to say should be in existence? Is it your position that each individual citizen would enforce the law themselves? Is THAT your position?

Of course I understand it. I don't get how you can look at 8,000 years or more of human history and support government. It's never worked once, and making Alan Keyes an all powerful president, even if he's a good one, will lead to greater problems on down the line when another evil man uses the power he has for sin. So yes, it is my position.


Paul said homosexuals were deserving of death. God utterly destroyed the wicked homosexuals of Sodom for their sin.

You might want to further research what the Bible has to say on this topic. :)

And he mentioned several other sins that didn't harm another individual and said they were deserving of death as well. You're taking it out of context. Either you need to do the executing or stop supporting a government agent doing it. I researched it plenty, the Bible says God came to bring LIFE not death.
 
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