Interplanner
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See my post above. The issue cannot be understood apart from the launching of the mission to the nations.
Speaking in Tongues a Stupid Practice and Probably "Annoys God."
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Interplanner
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Oatmeal,
that was only made to one group in one letter. Even though it was very different from Acts 2, 11, 19 and the quote of Isaiah in I Cor 14, he let them do it but minimised its value and maturity.
We should move on from it, as he says about putting away childish things.
that was only made to one group in one letter. Even though it was very different from Acts 2, 11, 19 and the quote of Isaiah in I Cor 14, he let them do it but minimised its value and maturity.
We should move on from it, as he says about putting away childish things.
I've read those requirements of salvation in the belief statement in some false churches. If you see that, you'd better run the the next nearest church and try again. The Lord does what He wants in the Elects. The rest can babble on thier own and gain better ESP that astonishes themselves. The babbles are cause by bio electrical currents in the body due to certain repetive motions and self mind trickeries. Kundulini enetgies cause increase ESP and cure the body which is ok to those that understand then. Penticoastals don't understand the phenomenon of the human body and make up theories about what God is doing.
Interplanner
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Subjectivism tends to find one "command" about a topic like this but think there is therefore a huge validation of it. It has a hard time absorbing the whole context. In this case, that means how tongues were a sign to those in Judaism who did not think the Gospel was supposed to go to the nations, including Peter even after leading the Jewish Christian church.
RevTestament
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No, it is not. It is a gift of the Spirit. Not all need it or are capable of it. Indeed, it is rarely manifested.
1 Corinthians 12:30
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1 Corinthians 12:28
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Mocking You
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How's that snake handling working out for you? How about raising the dead?
Which Lord is that, and where is this command?
I don't think repeating this even when I've explained it to you, makes you sound anymore credible. It was definitely NOT a reversal of the Tower of Babel.
Interplanner
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sure it was. Look at the result. God's message in all the languages going out to all the world. Not one human message all in one message and one centralized government. How can you look at that and not see reversals, as in redemption? I don't mean the curse of incompatible language is reversed, I mean that Babel is beaten at its game. It is God's kingdom defeating what Babel wished was going to be mans. But certain details in this are reversed. It was an experience where all these people knew they were hearing the same message.
Cherub none of YOUR knowledge is common or reputable.
Prove your assertions, don't just make them.
It's common knowledge that the Greek word use for new tongues connotes a language never before used or heard.
What the God fearing Jews heard, were believers praising God in their OWN language, those believers were NOT speaking it. God had a reason for Babel, and that won't change until the route of why He did this changes. THAT will only happen at Jesus' second coming.
Babel was NEW languages at that time. Tongues are NEWER and have NEVER been heard or used before Acts 2:4
They are not my cup of tea.
Interplanner
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They were believers in Judaism in the city of one of the three major annual festivals.
I don't see where you get the praising God thing.
The visiting members of Judaism heard the Gospel preached. Peter didn't just start speaking in English at v14, nor Aramaic. The supernatural translation continued.
Tongues were known languages at the time of Acts 2. See v8.
The reason members of Judaism needed to hear this was it was another proof that the mission of the Gospel of God was going to the nations. In Judaism, they were and sought to take the Law. jesus had a pretty nasty remark about that. It was the Gospel that was supposed to go.
The event is connected to Babel in that the mighty acts of God are proclaimed rather than the mighty plans of arrogant man. It is safe for all to hear in their language, and there is no confusion. Those are three redemptive reversals right there. God wanted the whole world to hear that Jesus had been made Lord and Christ.
Interesting personal interpretation.
Based on the symbolism and iconography of the snake in ancient cultures, I see it slightly differently.
But do I know I am right? Of course not. My thinking has an undercurrent of faith and belief, not only factually-correct history.
The apostle were believers in Jesus, NOT Judaism.
Did you miss v11?
"we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues."
Peter was speaking in his native tongue. How could you possible think otherwise? Do you think He would say "Fellow Jews" in Egyptian?
Tongues were NEW languages as Jesus prophesied in Mark 16:17 (NIV)
That's an assumption you have NOT corroborated.
The event is in NO way connected to the Tower of Babel.
You would get a lot farther if you actually had scripture to support your assertions.
oatmeal
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Have you surpassed the spiritual heights of the apostle Paul?
I Corinthians 14:18
The apostle Paul had a much different belief about speaking in tongues than you have.
Be sure to let us know how your intineraries and miracles and your rewriting of Paul's epistles are going.