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freelight

Eclectic Theosophist
conventional god forms.......

conventional god forms.......

Angel4Truth wrote:

Open minded about there being a God instead of just myself enough to search out the truth yes, and found it. Found that allah is an idol and zeus a made up god for the purpose of greek fiction.
Hahaha! Oh the irony.

You're open minded about Allah or Zeus, then?

Pretend you're the free thinker, phhh. Bah Ram Ewe.


A true 'free thinker' has true intellectual freedom at all times, open to continual investigation, research and new discovery. A real 'free thinker' has nothing to lose in his search for truth, but previous assumptions and beliefs that are valueless, only serving the 'ego'. These are discarded when necessary.

It may be obvious or obscure that Zues, Allah, Brahma, Saraswati, Ahura Mazda, Apollo, Ra, YHWH, or any other divine personality or diety is just as good as 'conception' of 'God' as any other....including your own preferred 'form'. You couldnt prove absolutely your form is more valid or better, beyond your own set of presuppositions, logic, philosophical assumptions and epistemology anyways. Most 'gods' are projections of the religious mind, however deified.





pj
 

sky.

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Ive said this before but no one seems to care. Anyone who goes along with Open theism is a heretic and false teacher.
 

freelight

Eclectic Theosophist
eternal progress......

eternal progress......

Pierac denies the divinity of Christ. He is a heretic headed for a lake of fire. There is nothing he can do to help me and God will not hear his prayers as Pierac is "none of His".


I might behoove you to consider Jesus teaching on who can enter into the kingdom of heaven,....mainly those who do the will of God, accept and embrace his teaching, his testimony, and are faithful to the eternal principles of love and service...which he lived and taught. It is the disposition/attitude of the heart, the condition of 'repentance' (transformation of mind) that determines one's place in the kingdom.

In these instances there is nothing about believing in his 'divinity', which are mainly later religious assumptions and doctrinal impositions. 'God' looks at the heart and souls continue their eternal progress in the worlds or incarnations to come governed by such laws that uplift, enligten and empower souls to unfold their true potential and purpose.



pj
 

YahuShuan

New member
Good point. We should be holy and obey the Scripture. Here are a few that this thread is in obedience to:

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. -Romans 16:17

A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; -Titus 3:10

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. -2 John 1:10-11

Any person who does not want to obey those scriptures is not obedient in all things.

Thanks. :thumb:

Titus? You use Titus for defending your being drunk on the blood of saints? Ok then, let's use what you said then, "Any person who does not want to obey those scriptures is not obedient in all things."

Tit 3:1-12 Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work, not to slander anyone, not to be quarrelsome, to be gentle, showing all meekness to all men. For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, led astray, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in evil and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and the love of Elohim our Saviour toward man appeared, He saved us, not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His compassion, through the washing of rebirth, and renewal by the Set-apart Spirit, which He poured out on us richly through יהושע Messiah our Saviour, that having been declared right by His favour we should become heirs according to the expectation of everlasting life. Trustworthy is the word, and in this regard I wish you to strongly affirm, that those who have believed in Elohim should keep their minds on maintaining good works. This is good and profitable to men. But keep away from foolish questions, and genealogies, and strife and quarrels about the Torah, for they are unprofitable and useless. Reject a divisive man after the first and second warning, knowing that such a one has been perverted, and sins, being self-condemned.

You self condemn yourself every time you write against another. The doctrine you have learned is NOT the doctrine that was received by the apostles. The doctrine they received was the "Word" that was "made flesh", and there was no New Testament even at the time it was being written, there was only "the Word" which obviously (to those not sent delusion), was the Old Testament. Which is exactly why on the road to Emmaeus, Yahu'Shua expounded of Himself FROM THE TORAH, THE PSALMS AND THE PROPHETS...and did not give them anything whatsoever from any New Testament. The New Testament is a New WITNESS...OF THE OLD TESTAMENT! And it is still being written, thankfully, not by people. The "Word" that is "trustworthy" was the Old Testament. But then, as it is now, the delivery was by those who could not get a grip on what "no falsehood is of the truth" meant. So Yahu'Shua straightened that out, and delivered it properly, and THAT is the doctrine first given to the saints! So what do you do? You disobey the doctrine, and "teach others to do so also". Because you refuse to learn what it is, so you pervert it, sin against it, and against those who "DO the Father's desire that is in Heaven", and so are continuously "self condemned". With absolutely no clue that because of your stance, Yahuweh has sent you "delusion". Quite a good one too...you don't even see it yourself. Par for the course though...for the deluded. You will indeed be caught like the thief in the night, quite unaware. You think you rejected me by putting me on this little list of yours? Ha! No, what you have done is because of your actions, "you are cut off from your people Israel". And will not receive the blessings promised to them. Unless you repent. Pray for Yah to open your eyes and ears to HIS WORD, so you can throw yours away when you see what a liar you really are.

I sure pray you get a grip on reality before it is too late.
 

MarkA

New member
Pierac denies the divinity of Christ. He is a heretic headed for a lake of fire. There is nothing he can do to help me and God will not hear his prayers as Pierac is "none of His".

that is not an easy subject for many.

it is hard to fathom how anyone besides God can make atonement ceremonies for sin, but the High priest did do it in OT.
 

MarkA

New member
Ive said this before but no one seems to care. Anyone who goes along with Open theism is a heretic and false teacher.

what is Open theism?

it's not that I don't care, I may be like many who just don't know.:think:
 

MarkA

New member
I should have clarified,

I don't care enough for myself to read about it, I care about others who have tho. :)
 

Nick M

Black Rifles Matter
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what is Open theism?

A description of God's attributes give to us by him in the Bible. For example, God is relational. Do you agree or disagree with that statement?

If all is predetermined, which is easily shown to be wrong with the Bible, then how can he have a relaitonship with give and take and reacting to others?
 

Nick M

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it is hard to fathom how anyone besides God can make atonement ceremonies for sin, but the High priest did do it in OT.

Only God can forgive sin. Singular. The state of being. Besides the prophets declaring him to be God, and he saying it is so, here are some other things to ponder put together by another member here.

Note to the readers: I know this is long, but it is a must read by those who know that Jesus is God, those who are not sure, and those who deny Him. For those who do believe, it will provide you with the evidence you may need in the future to defend the truth.


Jesus is worshiped


Matthew 4:10

"Then Jesus said to him, "Begone, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only..'"

Matthew 2:2

"Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east, and have come to worship Him."

Matthew 14:33

"And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God's Son!"

Matthew 2:11

"And they came into the house and saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell down and worshiped Him"

Matthew 28:9

"And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him."

John 9:37

"Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you." And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him."

Hebrews 1:6

"And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, "And let all the angels of God worship Him."

Revelation 22:8

"And I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. And he said to me, "Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book; worship God."


When John worships a servant of God, he is rebuked. The servant of God tells John to "worship God"



Revelation 14:7

"Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters."


We are told by Jesus to worship the Lord God, and to serve Him only. Jesus receives worship over and over again. In the previous verse, and in the following verse we are told to worship God who created the heavens and the earth...

Jesus is worshiped in heaven


Revelation 4:8-11

"And the four living creatures, each one of them having six wings, are full of eyes around and within; and day and night they do not cease to say, "Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD God, the Almighty, who was and who is and who is to come." And when the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, to Him who lives forever and ever, the twenty-four elders will fall down before Him who sits on the throne, and will worship Him who lives forever and ever, and will cast their crowns before the throne, saying, "Worthy art Thou, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for Thou didst create all things, and because of Thy will they existed, and were created."

Genesis 1:1

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

Colossians 1:15-17

“And He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created by Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.”

Hebrews 1:1

“God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.”

Isa 45:21-23

Is it not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me. "Turn to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other. "I have sworn by Myself, The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness and will not turn back, that to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.

Philippians 2:5-11

“Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”

Acts 4:12

"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved."

Isaiah 43:10 -11

"Before me there was no God formed and there will be none after Me. I, even I, am the LORD; and there is no Savior besides Me

  • There always has been and always will be only one true God.
  • There is no Savior of the world except for this one true God.
  • Therefore, the Savior of the world must be the one true God.

1 John 4:14

"And we have beheld and bear witness that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world"

Titus 2:13

"...looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus"

2 Peter 1:1

"Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ"

Rev 21:5-7

"And He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." And He said, "Write, for these words are faithful and true." And He said to me, "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. "He who overcomes shall inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son"

Rev 22:12-16

"Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches"

Rev 1:8 & 17

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty....

"...And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as a dead man. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore"

"The first and the last" died on the cross.

Isa 44:6

"Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."


God = ALPHA and OMEGA​
Jesus = ALPHA and OMEGA​


God = FIRST and LAST​
Jesus = FIRST and LAST​


God = BEGINNING and END​
Jesus = BEGINNING and END​


God = Worship ONLY​
Jesus = RECEIVES Worship​


God = ONLY Savior and Lord​
Jesus = Savior and Lord​


Jesus claimed to be God


John 10:30-33

I and the Father are One” “The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."


Jesus did not deny their words.


John 8:56-58

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM."

Exodus 3:14

And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"


Matthew 1:23

"Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which translated means, "God with us."


It cannot be more clear. The child is God with us.


"For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


1 Timothy 3:16

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

Colossians 2:9

“For in Him all the fulness of Deity dwells in bodily form”


2 Corinthians 5:19

God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself”


John 20:27-29

“Then He said to Thomas, "Reach here your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand, and put it into My side; and be not unbelieving, but believing." Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."


Jesus claims to be Lord and God


Isa 45:5

"I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God."

John 1:1-3

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being."


Jesus is the Word, and the Word is God. Jesus created all things.


John 1:10-11

"He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him."

John 1:14

"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."


Deuteronomy 4:35
"To you it was shown that you might know that the LORD, He is God; there is no other besides Him.




Those who claim that Jesus is not God have now been shown ample proof that He is in fact the God of the Bible, who created all things, and came among us as a child and was crucified on a cross for our sins, buried in a tomb and raised from the dead, and is worshiped by men and angels.

If you still deny that He is God, it is evidence to you and to others that you do not worship the God of the Bible, but you have a false god and a false Jesus.

You are from here forward without excuse.
 

Lazy afternoon

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LIFETIME MEMBER
Titus? You use Titus for defending your being drunk on the blood of saints? Ok then, let's use what you said then, "Any person who does not want to obey those scriptures is not obedient in all things."

Tit 3:1-12 Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work, not to slander anyone, not to be quarrelsome, to be gentle, showing all meekness to all men. For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, led astray, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in evil and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and the love of Elohim our Saviour toward man appeared, He saved us, not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His compassion, through the washing of rebirth, and renewal by the Set-apart Spirit, which He poured out on us richly through יהושע Messiah our Saviour, that having been declared right by His favour we should become heirs according to the expectation of everlasting life. Trustworthy is the word, and in this regard I wish you to strongly affirm, that those who have believed in Elohim should keep their minds on maintaining good works. This is good and profitable to men. But keep away from foolish questions, and genealogies, and strife and quarrels about the Torah, for they are unprofitable and useless. Reject a divisive man after the first and second warning, knowing that such a one has been perverted, and sins, being self-condemned.

You self condemn yourself every time you write against another. The doctrine you have learned is NOT the doctrine that was received by the apostles. The doctrine they received was the "Word" that was "made flesh", and there was no New Testament even at the time it was being written, there was only "the Word" which obviously (to those not sent delusion), was the Old Testament. Which is exactly why on the road to Emmaeus, Yahu'Shua expounded of Himself FROM THE TORAH, THE PSALMS AND THE PROPHETS...and did not give them anything whatsoever from any New Testament. The New Testament is a New WITNESS...OF THE OLD TESTAMENT! And it is still being written, thankfully, not by people. The "Word" that is "trustworthy" was the Old Testament. But then, as it is now, the delivery was by those who could not get a grip on what "no falsehood is of the truth" meant. So Yahu'Shua straightened that out, and delivered it properly, and THAT is the doctrine first given to the saints! So what do you do? You disobey the doctrine, and "teach others to do so also". Because you refuse to learn what it is, so you pervert it, sin against it, and against those who "DO the Father's desire that is in Heaven", and so are continuously "self condemned". With absolutely no clue that because of your stance, Yahuweh has sent you "delusion". Quite a good one too...you don't even see it yourself. Par for the course though...for the deluded. You will indeed be caught like the thief in the night, quite unaware. You think you rejected me by putting me on this little list of yours? Ha! No, what you have done is because of your actions, "you are cut off from your people Israel". And will not receive the blessings promised to them. Unless you repent. Pray for Yah to open your eyes and ears to HIS WORD, so you can throw yours away when you see what a liar you really are.

I sure pray you get a grip on reality before it is too late.

I agree.

LA
 

Pierac

New member
I stated…… !

You must forgive Choleric... Iakabos

He thinks he has the right to judge other Christians... Can't wait to see his face when Jesus looks into his eyes and says....
I never knew you! :think:


:poly::sherlock:
Paul

Mark added…
that sounds very sad to me, not something I "couldn't wait" to see.
we shouldn't wait, we should do all we can to help him avoid that fate.

And Choleric had to add!
I don't judge Christians. I judge heretics, like you, who teach another gospel and are outside of the faith.
Pierac denies the divinity of Christ. He is a heretic headed for a lake of fire. There is nothing he can do to help me and God will not hear his prayers as Pierac is "none of His".

Then Lon feels the need to add….
Oh the irony! :doh:
:think: That might be why you are on this list...

You idiots… You know I’m a universalist … yet your so committed to following your platonic hell that does not exist in scripture! You attach your evil views to me! :rolleyes:

The least you could do is know the views you post against!!! I don't follow Plato like you.... The soul is not immortal!!!


1Ti 6:16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

Alone possesses... means somthing here... idiots!! :think:

:poly::sherlock:
Paul
 

bucksplasher

New member
I stated…… !



Mark added…

And Choleric had to add!


Then Lon feels the need to add….


You idiots… You know I’m a universalist … yet your so committed to following your platonic hell that does not exist in scripture! You attach your evil views to me! :rolleyes:

The least you could do is know the views you post against!!! I don't follow Plato like you.... The soul is not immortal!!!


1Ti 6:16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

Alone possesses... means somthing here... idiots!! :think:

:poly::sherlock:
Paul

The "return" of the "old" Letsargue? tWINs
 

Pierac

New member
The "return" of the "old" Letsargue? tWINs

Oh, like the others here will understand the 1879 views of "Letsargue"

Really... Your response was so scholarly.... You will surely be made the next Pope you worship as God! :think:

You can let go of your ankles now!!! :BRAVO:
Paul
 
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Pierac

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We cannot judge another's salvation or damnation but, we most certainly must judge their words and deeds. Or perhaps use discernment for association based on their words and deeds?
I don't care to be in presence of blasphemers or dirty talkers.
Those engaged in smug self-righteousness or attitudes of superiority also cause me to walk on the other side of the street.

Then WHY DO YOU post on Satan, Inc (Tol's heretic's list) :think:

Do you really not see your hypocrisy: (the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion ) in what you just posted here? You actually wrote your comment on a thread that actually reads... Satan, Inc (Tol's heretic's list) !!! :rolleyes:


Thank you for making my point!!!! You are one of the blasphemers and/or dirty talkers who chose to be here and reply to...what you call... in presence of blasphemers or dirty talkers...:doh:

:poly::sherlock:
Paul
 

Glenda

New member
I stated…… !
You must forgive Choleric... Iakabos

He thinks he has the right to judge other Christians... Can't wait to see his face when Jesus looks into his eyes and says....
I never knew you! :think:


:poly::sherlock:
Paul


Mark added…
that sounds very sad to me,

not something I "couldn't wait" to see.

we shouldn't wait, we should do all we can to help him avoid that fate.

...

You idiots… You know I’m a universalist … yet your so committed to following your platonic hell that does not exist in scripture! You attach your evil views to me! :rolleyes:

The least you could do is know the views you post against!!! I don't follow Plato like you.... The soul is not immortal!!!


1Ti 6:16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

Alone possesses... means somthing here... idiots!! :think:

:poly::sherlock:
Paul

Mark never claimed the soul was immortal. Mark simply said he wished Choleric not to suffer that fate you described ie seeing Jesus look into Choleric's eyes while saying 'I never knew you'
I agree with Mark. It would be a dreadful thing for Choleric to experience and may God please heal Choleric's blindness so he may repent rather than suffer that horrible fate. I wouldn't wish this on myself or anyone! Love others as yourself. Love your enemies.

Pierac, you have self-righteously publicly misjudged others in pride. May you also recognise need of repentance from this you valued human created in God's image.
 
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