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ECT Reformed Theology
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Ty i edit sorry board and forgive me for my mistake.
If man had free will he would sin to the limit and refuse to die.
Made up.
Genesis 22
Now it came to pass after these things that God tested Abraham, and said to him, “Abraham!”
11 And an angel of the Lord called him out of heaven, and said, Abraam, Abraam. And he said, Behold, I am here. 12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the child, neither do anything to him, for now I know that thou fearest God, and for my sake thou hast not spared thy beloved son.
God's prophet (likely Moses) says one thing, you say something else. Like all doctrines and religions, they fall apart in the face of the Holy Bible.
you have eyes and ears yet you are blind and deaf to God's Word
Nang
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A great part of the problem, is that too much misrepresentation of theological views is asserted.
Nang
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I have freewill. Gobs of it.
All of us are willful creatures. God created us that way.
The question is, whom do we serve with our wills?
Unbelievers are in bondage to sin and death, and only able to willfully serve Satan.
Christians are freed from that bondage through the grace of Jesus Christ, to willfully serve God.
your people created the problem
free will no longer means free will
predestination no longer means predestination
election no longer means election
sin no longer means sin
etc
What we are saying is that man has a will...but it is in bondage.
what does that mean?
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Very well expressed. Everything to them from anyone has to be qualified lest their dogma suffer for lack of supposed truth.
Nang
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Taking one of these at a time, I ask:
How can a person held in bondage to Satan due to original sin, serve anything else but sin and death? How can you call such bondage, "freedom of will?"
The will of unbelievers is enslaved to sin, death, and the devil.
let's try this
before Jesus
you could not be saved
but
you could be a good person
and
were saved once Jesus did His thing
does that make any sense to you?
Protestant theology is in it's very nature based in predestination, so even if you disagree with Calvinism you are still throwing that grenade pretty close to your own beliefs whether you realize it or not.
Nang
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Yes, I know what you are asking, but I believe all O.T. saints were saved by grace through the gift of faith from God, just like the N.T. saints.
Abraham is our father in the faith. He was saved just like us, and is part of the same church of Jesus Christ. See Matthew 8:11
Prior to God calling Abram to follow Him in faith, Abram was a sinner whose will was held in bondage and death. God, by His grace, revealed a new Covenant (of grace) to Abram, which freed Abraham to willfully believe God's word of promise, even prior to seeing outcome of the promise in his lifetime (the birth of the Savior!).
Faith in God's Truth, sets us free in heart, mind, and will. John 8:31-32
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The mental bloc for them is the lapsarian doctrine which speaks of God decreeing everything __ everything including Adam's fall simply for redemption by Jesus Christ. There are 3 levels to this 'society', one more radical than the other, all built upon a crooked foundation.
<I believe Nang just explained the one she espouses>
You mean like claiming you don't believe, but God made you believe? And others he blinds for his good will, not because he knows they will do evil.
Nang
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Who has the ability to decree anything into existence, but God Almighty?
And what has occurred in creation, that has not come from the Sovereign hand of God?
Why do you diminish the wonder and sacrifice of God's Son that worked the redemption of undeserving sinners?
I think you are the one with a mental block . . .