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Over in Thess, 1Th 4:17 to be specific, the word/phrase 'caught up' does not mean 'a subjective delight'.
It is the word 'harpazo' in Greek and it means to seize, catch up,, pluck, pull, snatch, take
by force and is the same word used in Act 8:39 to describe the snatching up and transportation of Philip after his encounter with the Ethiopian eunuch.
It is the same word 'harpazo' which is used to twice describe the 'catching up' of Paul to the third heaven in 2Co 12:2-4.
It is also the same word 'harpazo' used in Rev 12:5 to describe Christ's ascension to the Father's throne in heaven.
Thus, in 1Th 4:17 the term 'caught up[harpazo]' is used to describe the seizing and snatching up of believers to meet the Lord Jesus in the air....just as it plainly says.
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up[harpazo] together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Act 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away[harpazo] Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up[harpazo] to the third heaven. 2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up[harpazo] into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up[harpazo] unto God, and to his throne.
Daniel1769
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What an intelligent retort to Lazy Afternoon's statements. The pre-trib rapture is an unbiblical lie made up by some unsaved lying apostates in the 19th century. Get over it.
You're still off.
Tribulations - plural - refers to everyday problems in all their shapes and forms.
Refers to ALL everyday tribulations.
Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Ephesians 3:13 Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
2 Thessalonians 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
Duh-uh.
Jerry Shugart
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Let me ask you a question about the following passage from the 24th chapter of Matthew:
"For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left" (Mt.24:38-41).
This passage is speaking of what will happen when the Lord Jesus returns to the earth. Do you think that the people who are said to be "taken" are the ones who will be caught up to meet the Lord Jesus in the air?
Thanks!
Interplanner
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Taken in this context is a horrible thing. It's the ones left who are well. The flood of Noah took people. The flood of the zealots in the 1st century would cover the land of Judea and force people, sometimes in their ignorance and hesitancy, to go with them and fight Rome.
These things can't be read without knowing thoroughly what happened in the DofJ in the 1st century. They are not resolved in the future nor in D'ism nor in 2P2P.
Jerry Shugart
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You are right. The ones who will be "taken" are the unrighteous.
With this fact established it is impossible to reconcile the coming of the Lord Jesus of Matthew 24 with the rapture.
IMPOSSIBLE!
what if you are wrong?
1Jn 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
1Jn 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
1Jn 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
LA
Impossible for a pre-tribber who can give no scripture for his imagined event.
The wicked who are killed at Christ's return are not taken anywhere, they are laying on the ground dead and then buried.
It would be amiss of the Lord to not mention the gathering of His Bride to Himself in the resurrection at His appearing without mentioning those mortal children of theirs to be gathered also.
Isa 49:18 Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee. As I live, saith the LORD, thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them on thee, as a bride doeth.
Isa 49:21 Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where had they been?
Isa 49:22 Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.
Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
LA
musterion
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Don't speak when you don't know the history in either case.
As far as I'm concerned, Rapture Theology is a poison- it has completely dismantled real Christianity in many parts of America- being called a heretic by them feels no different than being called such by a Jew.
I've seriously just had it with that fanaticism, they claim to be Paulists but don't even live up to half of what he wrote
I've seriously just had it with that fanaticism, they claim to be Paulists but don't even live up to half of what he wrote
dontaskmeidontknow
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one question. as per Matthew 24:38.
is someone making sure a grinding mill is still in use today? could it be that He came already ? after all He did come back, shouldn't then the scripture be full filled?
is someone making sure a grinding mill is still in use today? could it be that He came already ? after all He did come back, shouldn't then the scripture be full filled?
musterion
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As far as I'm concerned, Rapture Theology is a poison- it has completely dismantled real Christianity in many parts of America- being called a heretic by them feels no different than being called such by a Jew.
I've seriously just had it with that fanaticism, they claim to be Paulists but don't even live up to half of what he wrote
You've seriously had it? Good.
Leave.
No, you won't do that, ever.
This is why you're one of the most pathetic and stupid lying attention prostitutes on TOL. That post proves it. You say something idiotic knowing you're on a forum owned, operated and frequented by people awaiting the calling home of the Body.
Don't like it? Leave.
Don't like it but don't want to leave? Or you're just lying? Then shut up and stay out of these threads. No one cares what you've had enough of.
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As far as I'm concerned, Rapture Theology is a poison- it has completely dismantled real Christianity in many parts of America- being called a heretic by them feels no different than being called such by a Jew.
I've seriously just had it with that fanaticism, they claim to be Paulists but don't even live up to half of what he wrote
You are a prime example, of one, who has isolated himself from both intelligent members of society, and, by definition, from members of the boc, since you are lost, with your boring, emotional crying's, and pining's, and wining's, and tantrums, and kicking up your heels....
As musty suggested-leave. You are beginning to bore us, big baby.
Jerry Shugart
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When do think that the saints will be "caught up" to meet the Lord Jesus in the air?:
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (1 Thess.4:16-17).
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dontaskmeidontknow
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just a side question. we still think GOD or gods live in the air? or clouds?
so God or Jesus is defined as having to physically take up saints to meet in the clouds?
a look into history and mythology will lead us to Icarus. who thought the same.
so God or Jesus is defined as having to physically take up saints to meet in the clouds?
a look into history and mythology will lead us to Icarus. who thought the same.