"OSAS" people are not answering this question.

[redpill4vr]

Yep! Anti-OSAS believe on some level that they have to do or have done something to be saved and to stay saved as they're always reading someone else's mail and applying it to themselves and others today (which no one should do), while ignoring that which is written directly to us by Paul.

2 peter 1:8-11

1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

2 peter 3:15-16
15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

 

[heir]

2 peter 1:8-11

1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

2 peter 3:15-16
15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Peter's salvation is yet future (he's one of those who looks forward as Bro. SaulTOPaul was talking about) whereas those in the Body, it's a done deal (we are those who look back).

 

[musterion]

What was this newbs name last time? Very familiar.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Jesus died for our sins....... but the underlying question here is will God forgive our sins even when we do not repent and ask for forgiveness?

will our sins be forgotten when God disciplines us ?

Christ died for the sins of ALL mankind 2,000 years ago. However,
ONLY those who place their faith in Christ as their Savior will receive
the benefits of His death and resurrection. The unsaved will stand
before God someday and be judged, not according to their sins, but
according to their "Works." Why? Because the sin question was
taken care of at the cross.

Those who place their faith in Christ, while they're still in their
physical body, are sealed, indwelt, and baptized (not by water)
into the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit. They will not be judged
or receive ANY condemnation for what they did while in their
physical bodies. But, God can "discipline" them (while in the flesh)
for disobedience. Why? Because He is their "Father in Heaven" and
God disciplines His own.

The "unsaved" who die without Christ will be judged by their "Works"
and cast into the "Lake of Fire" at the judgment of the unsaved. By
the way, Satan and his demons will be cast into the same, "Lake of
Fire" as the unbelievers. This is an "eternal" judgment.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Revelation 20:12 states: "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;
and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life:
and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according
to their works."

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Those who are saved by trusting the Lord believing the gospel of our salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) have already been made to sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus (Ephesians 2:5-6 KJV), have already been forgiven all trespasses (Colossians 2:13 KJV) and are sealed (Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV, Ephesians 4:32 KJV).

To answer your question: Whether you believe or not that the believer's salvation is secure does not change the fact that it is.
There are no sins left to forgive that God has not already forgiven.
How many of your sins did Christ not die for?

Amen. This is the truth.

 

[patrick jane]

Letters to the churches in revelations shows me that Jesus can and will take away the crown of life to those who don't continue in the faith

continue believing, that's the ONLY requirement -

what do you think "continue in the faith means" ?

 

[patrick jane]

Letters to the churches in revelations shows me that Jesus can and will take away the crown of life to those who don't continue in the faith

you better continue then huh ?

 

[redpill4vr]

Those who are saved by trusting the Lord believing the gospel of our salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) have already been made to sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus (Ephesians 2:5-6 KJV), have already been forgiven all trespasses (Colossians 2:13 KJV) and are sealed (Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV, Ephesians 4:32 KJV).

To answer your question: Whether you believe or not that the believer's salvation is secure does not change the fact that it is.
There are no sins left to forgive that God has not already forgiven.
How many of your sins did Christ not die for?

colossians 2:13 - does not mean all our transgressions.(past + present +future). they are only our past sins.... our future sins when we ask then only we will be forgiven or else jesus would not have taught his disciples to pray for forgiveness. matthew 6:12,14,15

9:2 Just then some people brought to him a paralytic lying on a stretcher.When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Have courage, son! Your sins are forgiven.” -- it does not mean future sins also.

Mark 11:25 Whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven will also forgive you your sins.” -------- jesus was telling this to peter (a believer) and its not an one time act. if its a one time act then even we should forgive our fellow humans only once. but God doesnt say that.
Luke 17:3 Watch yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him. If he repents, forgive him. 17:4 Even if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times returns to you saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.

colossions 2:13 And even though you were dead in your transgressions and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, he nevertheless made you alive with him, having forgiven all your transgressions. ---- we were dead because of our transgressions
and after coming alive

 

[heir]

colossians 2:13 - does not mean all our transgressions.(past + present +future). they are only our past sins.... our future sins when we ask then only we will be forgiven or else jesus would not have taught his disciples to pray for forgiveness. matthew 6:12,14,15

Back up the truck! Think about that for a minute and answer this: How many of your sins were in the future when "Christ died for our sins"?

Unfortunately, I have to leave for a bit and run errands, but I will come back and we can go from your reply.

 

[Right Divider]

OSAS? Hardly...

Jesus said, "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth." (Revelation 3:16 NKJV)

We are saved by grace, so is it possible to fall from grace?

Paul said, "You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law, you have fallen from grace." (Galatians 5:4 NKJV)

We must work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. It has not been worked out for us.

You do not understand the Bible in the slightest.

The Book of Revelation has NO reference whatsoever to the body of Christ.

And, Paul is NOT talking about having eternal life and then losing it. He is simply contrasting LAW and GRACE as being mutually exclusive.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

colossians 2:13 - does not mean all our transgressions.(past + present +future). they are only our past sins.... our future sins when we ask then only we will be forgiven or else jesus would not have taught his disciples to pray for forgiveness. matthew 6:12,14,15

9:2 Just then some people brought to him a paralytic lying on a stretcher.When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Have courage, son! Your sins are forgiven.” -- it does not mean future sins also.

Mark 11:25 Whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven will also forgive you your sins.” -------- jesus was telling this to peter (a believer) and its not an one time act. if its a one time act then even we should forgive our fellow humans only once. but God doesnt say that.
Luke 17:3 Watch yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him. If he repents, forgive him. 17:4 Even if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times returns to you saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.

colossions 2:13 And even though you were dead in your transgressions and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, he nevertheless made you alive with him, having forgiven all your transgressions. ---- we were dead because of our transgressions
and after coming alive

You're a wee bit confused.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

colossians 2:13 - does not mean all our transgressions.(past + present +future). they are only our past sins.... our future sins when we ask then only we will be forgiven or else jesus would not have taught his disciples to pray for forgiveness. matthew 6:12,14,15

9:2 Just then some people brought to him a paralytic lying on a stretcher.When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Have courage, son! Your sins are forgiven.” -- it does not mean future sins also.

Mark 11:25 Whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven will also forgive you your sins.” -------- jesus was telling this to peter (a believer) and its not an one time act. if its a one time act then even we should forgive our fellow humans only once. but God doesnt say that.
Luke 17:3 Watch yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him. If he repents, forgive him. 17:4 Even if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times returns to you saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.

colossions 2:13 And even though you were dead in your transgressions and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, he nevertheless made you alive with him, having forgiven all your transgressions. ---- we were dead because of our transgressions
and after coming alive

What happens if you should "leave this mortal coil" before repenting
of those "future" sins? Will God still allow you into Heaven?

 

[redpill4vr]

Back up the truck! Think about that for a minute and answer this: How many of your sins were in the future when "Christ died for our sins"?

Unfortunately, I have to leave for a bit and run errands, but I will come back and we can go from your reply.

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

 

[redpill4vr]

LOL

Throwing Peter at me, isn't going to work. He was neither a member of the Body of Christ, nor speaking TO us.

Can you go back and address my post to you?

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

 

[Right Divider]

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

NOTICE: It does NOT say "ONLY sins that are past"

You proof-texters need to learn what the entire Bible actually says.

 

[redpill4vr]

What happens if you should "leave this mortal coil" before repenting
of those "future" sins? Will God still allow you into Heaven?

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Where's your answer to my question? Forgot to include it?

 

[redpill4vr]

What happens if you should "leave this mortal coil" before repenting
of those "future" sins? Will God still allow you into Heaven?

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

so repent immediatly instead of postponing your repentance (even after you accepted christ)

 

[redpill4vr]

Where's your answer to my question? Forgot to include it?

chill out bro......... i have a problem with the internet.