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meshak · Dec 30, 2018

Truster said:
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The true beauty of this obedience is that it shows me to be the debtor and does not place the Eternal Almighty in my debt for "my obedience to Him". He owes me nothing. I owe Him my all, amen.

You always know the right thing to say like all "Jesus is God" believers.

IOW, you are a lip server.

turbosixx · Dec 30, 2018

glorydaz said:
Would you care to rephrase your question?

Yes.

glorydaz said:
To serve because it is commanded is a work of the flesh.

To serve through the empowerment and Fruit of the Holy Spirit is another matter altogether.

Could you please point me to some passages that help you make this distinction.

john w · Dec 30, 2018

meshak said:
You always know the right thing to say like all "Jesus is God" believers.

IOW, you are a lip server.

Sell all you have, leave all, show yourself to a Levitical priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded.

Members of the boc, which excludes you, thought so, lip server.

turbosixx · Dec 30, 2018

Truster said:
It sounds like it's living in obedience because it is just that.

Prior to my conversion I didn't wake up and make conscious decisions on how I would be rebellious that day. I just woke up and got on with rebellion in intent, thought, word and deed, because that was my nature.

Since my conversion I have walked in obedience due to my new nature and because my salvation is not in my hands I know for an absolute fact that I will continue in obedience, not of my doing, but of His doing. He who works in me to will and to do of His good pleasure, Amen.

Thanks for the explanation. I think we are in agreement on this. What makes me think we might see it a litter different is when you said "I know for an absolute fact that I will continue in obedience, not of my doing, but of His doing"

Could you please explain what you mean by this a little more.

Truster · Dec 30, 2018

meshak said:
You always know the right thing to say like all "Jesus is God" believers.

IOW, you are a lip server.

I can assure you unhesitantly and without fear of contradiction that my lips did not move during the preparing of that post. However, my heart* was moved by the Holy Spirit whom you know not.

*heart, not the blood pump.

Truster · Dec 30, 2018

turbosixx said:
Thanks for the explanation. I think we are in agreement on this. What makes me think we might see it a litter different is when you said "I know for an absolute fact that I will continue in obedience, not of my doing, but of His doing"

Could you please explain what you mean by this a little more.

I know for an absolute fact that wherever I am, whatever my intentions, thoughts, words or deeds. That I am at the centre of the will of the Eternal Almighty for my eternal life and for my sanctification.

To the praise of the glory of His grace and amen.

turbosixx · Dec 30, 2018

Truster said:
I know for an absolute fact that wherever I am, whatever my intentions, thoughts, words or deeds. That I am at the centre of the will of the Eternal Almighty for my eternal life and for my sanctification.

To the praise of the glory of His grace and amen.

This still didn't clear it up for me. Before you said, "not of my doing, but of his doing". Then in this post you said "whatever my intentions, thoughts, words or deeds". It sounds like your thoughts and deeds are His doing and not yours. Is that right? If so, do you have choice?

Truster · Dec 30, 2018

turbosixx said:
This still didn't clear it up for me. Before you said, "not of my doing, but of his doing". Then in this post you said "whatever my intentions, thoughts, words or deeds". It sounds like your thoughts and deeds are His doing and not yours. Is that right? If so, do you have choice?

I have no choice and no free will. I'm pleased to say.

glorydaz · Dec 30, 2018

1Mind1Spirit said:
You really can't accept that they were the body of Christ, even after being shown that Jesus said they were, can ya?

So you think that because of what Jesus said about persecuting Him?

glorydaz · Dec 30, 2018

turbosixx said:
Yes.

Could you please point me to some passages that help you make this distinction.

The best passage would be this...

Gal. 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Man can fake love, joy, peace, meeknes.....but those are merely plastic fruits that have no life in them. Those are performed through man's own efforts. We see that all the time...of the flesh.

The genuine article (meekness, love, etc.) is the Spirit's, not ours or performed by us. The Spirit performs His work in and through us.

2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

musterion · Dec 30, 2018

john w said:
Sell all you have

If the Meshak people did that, there'd be nothing to give as the required tithe (shakedown) to the Watchtower.

turbosixx · Dec 30, 2018

Truster said:
I have no choice and no free will. I'm pleased to say.

Thanks for the clarification.

turbosixx · Dec 30, 2018

glorydaz said:
The best passage would be this...

Gal. 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Man can fake love, joy, peace, meeknes.....but those are merely plastic fruits that have no life in them. Those are performed through man's own efforts. We see that all the time...of the flesh.

The genuine article (meekness, love, etc.) is the Spirit's, not ours or performed by us. The Spirit performs His work in and through us.

2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

So are you saying a non-Christian cannot love, meekness, ect. ?

Right Divider · Dec 30, 2018

turbosixx said:
So are you saying a non-Christian cannot love, meekness, ect. ?

She was saying that APPEARANCES can be deceiving.

Right Divider · Dec 30, 2018

musterion said:
If the Meshak people did that, there'd be nothing to give as the required tithe (shakedown) to the Watchtower.

She'd be fine, since a tenth of nothing is still nothing.

turbosixx · Dec 30, 2018

Right Divider said:
She was saying that APPEARANCES can be deceiving.

I agree with that.

glorydaz · Dec 30, 2018

turbosixx said:
So are you saying a non-Christian cannot love, meekness, ect. ?

Only in the flesh. The flesh is weak, and always has ulterior motives.

meshak · Dec 30, 2018

glorydaz said:
Only in the flesh. The flesh is weak, and always has ulterior motives.

Appearance is witnessing. God will judge the motives.

If your witnessing is not good, then you are just plain disobedient.

glorydaz · Dec 30, 2018

meshak said:
Appearance is witnessing. God will judge the motives.

If your witnessing is not good, then you are just plain disobedient.

Like you....so I'll not worry about that.

1Mind1Spirit · Dec 31, 2018

glorydaz said:
So you think that because of what Jesus said about persecuting Him?

Yep.
Along with...

King James Bible
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

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