No Death Penalty. What Is Your Position?

[ok doser]

A relationship, marriage, shacking up together is between the two people who agree to it and nobody else. Outside of abuse it's nobody else's business whatsoever.

Because they live in a bubble and don't interact with the rest of society? They don't have kids, they don't use public playgrounds, they don't use public schools?

 

[Arthur Brain]

A cop out, but whatever. And I thought we were making some decent progress in this conversation.

What "cop out"? If you're going to respond to me then just respond to me because I'm not interested in separating multi quotes to other posters as I've mentioned before. What decent progress are you referring to because I sure don't see anything worth addressing with the next:

In other words, "I'm right and I don't care what you have to say about it!"

Silly quote with the exclamation point aside, what do you have to rebut it? What actual business is it of yours what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes?

 

[Arthur Brain]

Because they live in a bubble and don't interact with the rest of society? They don't have kids, they don't use public playgrounds, they don't use public schools?

Um, no.

What your point here is anyone's guess but I hope they don't have a wager riding on it...

 

[ok doser]

I see no reason for marriage not to be a private affair. It wasn't till the late 1800's that the state got into the business of marriage.

ummm - marriage wasn't a private affair before the government usurped the role of the church - marriage was a very public affair, within the church

 

[ok doser]

What your point here ....

seemed obvious to me :idunno:



your claim: "it's nobody else's business whatsoever"

my demonstration: everybody is affected by the selfish choices of others

 

[drbrumley]

ummm - marriage wasn't a private affair before the government usurped the role of the church - marriage was a very public affair, within the church

Thanks for making my point. church is a private affair when brushed up to state affairs.

 

[Rusha]

I get what you're saying but sometimes relationships just break and sometimes they're not repairable and "cheating" is after such has happened. It's not always a clear cut black and white is all I'm saying and I'm not condoning flings etc by saying any of this either.

For me, it depends on how much a husband/wife respects and values their spouse.

 

[Stripe]

Are they "hurting" you?

That wasn't the question.

Also, most murderers don't hurt me.

In a free society, you don't have to socialize with them.

Yeah, but I still have to suppress the gag reflex.

Also, we could make it less perverted and more difficult to justify government non-involvement.

 

[Stripe]

Difficult (even if it means temporary housing in a shelter) is superior to the implied consent/approval of mistreatment by remaining with an adulterer/abuser.

That's not the cake the ...

Doser, help me out here...

That's not the cake he was selling.

 

[Arthur Brain]

seemed obvious to me :idunno:



your claim: "it's nobody else's business whatsoever"

my demonstration: everybody is affected by the selfish choices of others

To you perhaps, not to everyone else.

I've certainly not been affected by other people's private relations. Go figure.

 

[ok doser]

Laws that criminalize activities that voluntarily take place behind closed doors are unenforceable. An unenforceable law is no law at all. Again, it is merely a suggestion.

let me guess - you're in favor of legalization of all drugs, prostitution, pornography...

 

[drbrumley]

That wasn't the question.

Also, most murderers don't hurt me.

Touche' Very good.

But murderers do aggress against society. They take a life or lives. A little bit different then Ben and Jerry sleeping with each other.

 

[JudgeRightly]

It depends on the differences. If the couple is having respectful disagreements, certainly.

:thumb:

OTOH, physical violence, drug or alcohol abuse

All of which are criminal acts, and should be punished by the government.

Physical violence is assault, and the criminal should be punished corporally.

Drug and alcohol abusers (those who get drunk, not those who have a glass of wine or two for dinner) should be punished corporally.

or cheating

Cheating would be sexual immorality, in which case the spouse, if they so choose, would justly have the option to divorce their spouse.

are situations no one should put their children or self through.

Agreed. And yet, the only time (barring capital offences with the drugs, alcohol, and physical violence) that separation (ie divorce) is a valid option is for sexual immorality.

Hopefully the couple. Otherwise a court appointed mediator and the judge.

So, in other words, would you agree that if the couple cannot resolve the issue themselves, the enforcer should be the government?

 

[Stripe]

I cannot for the life of me understand why so many people have an incurable itch to control other people’s lives.

No Stripe, I am not saying you have this itch. But there are many who do.

:AMR:

Control? You don't want the government to enforce the law?

Marriage is the lifetime union of one man and one woman in the eyes of God, government and society. Why would it be a problem if a government — following in the footsteps of simple comprehension of English — were to say homos can't do that (with each other)?

Where is the denial of "rights"?

 

[drbrumley]

let me guess - you're in favor of legalization of all drugs, prostitution, pornography...

Let me guess, you're going to put a camera in everyone's bedroom

 

[ok doser]

To you perhaps, not to everyone else.

I've certainly not been affected by other people's private relations. Go figure.

thank you for the perfect display of selfishness :thumb:


meanwhile, in america:

 

[ok doser]

Let me guess, you're going to put a camera in everyone's bedroom

is that how we control child molestation?

 

[Arthur Brain]

For me, it depends on how much a husband/wife respects and values their spouse.

Well, that's the thing. If one party doesn't respect and value their spouse then is it surprising that said spouse seeks such elsewhere? It's not always black and white is all I'm saying and I can see your disagreements too.

 

[Stripe]

:think:

:rotfl:

 

[Arthur Brain]

thank you for the perfect display of selfishness :thumb:


meanwhile, in america:

Thank you for the not so perfect display of self righteous irrelevance.