Based on the above report, those who do are a menace to society. But let's not take the word of a federally funded report, let's hear from some more proud dopers out in TOL land:
patrick jane...come on down!
Marijuana legalization: LESS government?
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Based on the above report, those who do are a menace to society. But let's not take the word of a federally funded report, let's hear from some more proud dopers out in TOL land:
patrick jane...come on down!
dope doper - i'm not a pot smoker but i am sympathetic to medical benefits for cancer, epilipsey for children and many many other conditions. i just think criminalizing hasn't worked and the war on drugs is mis directed. i'm no expert on these matters i just thought i'd rile you up culture. anyone can compile statistics to illustrate their side and highlight the numbers that show this or that. we love numbers, but they don't translate to real life. right now in america heroin is killing children with one dose. look those numbers up. alcohol is a much more insidious drug and it's legal, there's no difference between republican and democrat anymore. prisons are full of non-violent folks that could'nt afford a lawyer, bottom line. as far as addiction in general, everybody is addicted to SOMETHING, it's when they endanger ANYONE else it's a crime, which includes driving etc., the post is about legalization ? amen. be back soon, i gotta get a toke
Why? I'm told that it's harmless (of course most of those who tell me that don't touch the poison).
Please include links to "High Times" and various other pro marijuana periodicals when you make such statments.
According to the article I posted, legalization aint working out too good.
But you spent last night at a Holiday Inn Express and are pretending to be an expert.
no, but was a front desk clerk, no kiddin. but i'd venture to guess i'm more in tune with cultures than you. in fact, ha - you'd love that wouldn't you ? i don't have to link things. your moniker implies you either know alot about culture in general, a particular culture, ALL cultures or you fight culture or specific cultures. which is it ? i like your posts and links by the way. i'm just lazy; too much weed. thanks for calling me an expert. do you have a culture club ?
I can confidently say that reading your posts is grounds enough to keep marijuana criminalized Patty.
i'm just honest. probably rare in your culture, try it sometime. oh , it makes you uncomfortable. i love sarcasm, you'll see. i don't have a fake reputation yet that i try to maintain, must be confounding for you at times. i encourage anyone to read all of my posts, especially you. it is fall. you know what comes before that. i like this thread, it's good for everyone
i like you culture warrior, i guess you logged off. been drinkin ?
shagster01
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This article is a load of dung. The "source" they quote admits right in his study that he is biased.
But even so, all this proves is that people maybe smoked pot within a few weeks of crashing their car.
Where I live, it's not a crime at all.
Driving high is, and should be. Just like driving drunk or texting and driving.
In fact, here is an interesting study. . . Since cell phones have become so popular, texting and driving deaths have shot through the roof percentage-wise. Should we make text messages illegal because of it? OR just illegal while driving?
So the various dopers that were pulled over when the police officers had probable cause to do so (driving recklessly, etc.) weren't really high on marijuana at the time, they just had dope in their system from weeks previous?
How about the emergency room visits, had they smoked dope weeks before and it just then kicked in?
Ok, for the idiots in CO, WA and now several other states that voted to legalize marijuana, it's a legal behavior.
"And Libertarians keep insisting that smoking dope is a "victimless behavior". Feel better now shag?
Yet cell phones have a legitimate purpose in a society:
Communication.
Other than you dopers communicating with a box of Twinkies, what good does smoking dope do for you or for society in general?
shagster01
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Who knows? Maybe they were drunk? Distracted by their phones? Some were probably high. Many were probably on prescription meds.
They are victims of paranoia, that is it. They would have been just fine sitting at home and letting it wear off. How many of those ER visits ended in death? 0.
Yep.
Here:
http://www.businessinsider.com/health-benefits-of-medical-marijuana-2014-4?op=1
marijuana stays in your sytem up to a month or more. plus, the high of pot is not as impairing as alcohol. alcohol is related in almost all vilolent crimes and other felonies. some people want the government to control everything. they fuel the black market and flood the court system and prisons. big business
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marijuana stays in your sytem up to a month or more. plus, the high of pot is not as impairing as alcohol. alcohol is related in almost all vilolent crimes and other felonies. some people want the government to control everything. they fuel the black market and flood the court system and prisons. big business
Absolutely ... while alcohol has actually been proven to be dangerous for the drinker and anyone he/she may cross paths with, it's the drug of choice for the politically correct self-labeled conservatives.
dreadknought
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Gotta love it, cloaked in politics............ you still don't have a clue to what people actually think.............. and follow through on. :doh: Go smoke a J, then get back to me. Till then, preach to a choir of your own making. :wave2:Pitfalls Abound as Legal Pot Sales Begin
Colorado and Washington state are launching the world's first legal recreational marijuana markets in 2014. Though pot has been sold for three decades at coffee shops in the Netherlands, the two states are the first to regulate and allow a full industry.
Being first to allow growing it, processing it and selling it doesn't come without risks. The states face plenty, from a potential crackdown over a drug that's still illegal under federal law to threats to public health.
A look at some of the pitfalls the two states will want to avoid as Big Weed tries to go mainstream:
YOUTH USE: The U.S. Department of Justice has told the states it won't interfere with state marijuana laws as long as they keep the drug away from those without permission to use it. Top of that list: children. Neither state will allow people under 21 to buy pot.
HEALTH: Some doctors warn that increased marijuana use will result in more emergency-room visits. There's not enough data to show if that is happening, though some hospitals have reported spikes in child admissions for pot overdoses. With no Food and Drug Administration oversight, the two states are producing their own product-safety standards to make sure pot is as potent as labeled and doesn't contain harmful molds or other contaminants.
SMUGGLING: The states have also been told they must keep legal pot out of other states and off federal property. That's no small task in Western states with huge swaths of federal property, such as parks and ski areas. The states will allow visitors to buy pot, but also warn them about where they can and can't take it.
CRIME: Legalization opponents say residency requirements won't prevent criminal cartels from setting up straw-man growing operations. The states also have tracking systems to make sure what is grown ends up sold legally. Colorado, however, also allows people to grow pot at home, making it impossible to keep track of where it is coming from and where it's going.
DRIVING: The states set up marijuana analogies to drunk-driving laws, setting driver blood limits for pot's psychoactive chemical, THC. The laws are new, and it's too soon to say whether legal pot has made highways more dangerous in Colorado and Washington. Both states report seeing more positive driving-high tests, but it's not clear whether that's because of increased driver use or increased testing.
TAXES: Nobody knows how and at what level to tax pot. Too low, and the states won't be able to afford intense regulatory supervision of the industry. Too high, and pot users may stay in the black market.
DEMAND: Guessing marijuana demand is a tricky proposition. Colorado growers warn that early demand could lead to sky-high prices and shortages, with state production caps still uncertain. In Washington, regulators are taking a new look at supply needs after a recently released study produced a demand estimate that far outstripped earlier guesses.
BANKING: Marijuana legalization hasn't taken away one black-market aspect for the drug in Colorado and Washington: Cash runs the business. Financial services as simple as checking accounts and credit cards are off-limits because of federal guidance to financial institutions. Colorado officials say they're optimistic the U.S. Treasury Department will loosen those rules next year, but it's unclear what that would look like.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/pitfalls-abound-legal-pot-sales-begin-21361387
And here I thought that you Libertarians were for LESS government.
dreadknought
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c'mon, choir................ preach.
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So the various dopers that were pulled over when the police officers had probable cause to do so (driving recklessly, etc.) weren't really high on marijuana at the time, they just had dope in their system from weeks previous?
Field sobriety tests usually let the officer know what was the cause of the erratic driving. Regarding cell phones: What would the blood test indicate if they were using a cell phone while driving?
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How about the emergency room visits, had they smoked dope weeks before and it just then kicked in?
Many of those ER visits involve children. (Libertarian compassion, gotta love it).
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
So the various dopers that were pulled over when the police officers had probable cause to do so (driving recklessly, etc.) weren't really high on marijuana at the time, they just had dope in their system from weeks previous?
Field sobriety tests usually let the officer know what was the cause of the erratic driving. Regarding cell phones: What would the blood test indicate if they were using a cell phone while driving?
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How about the emergency room visits, had they smoked dope weeks before and it just then kicked in?
Many of those ER visits involve children. (Libertarian compassion, gotta love it).
shagster01
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We were talking about fatalities before. Do you think cops do roadside tests on dead people?
That is an issue of neglect or abuse of a child and should be/is punished as such.
Many children end up in the ED do to bike crashes too, yet bikes are still legal.
Being a pagan Rusha, you wouldn't understand that Biblically it'a allowable for Christians to consume alcohol responsibly. The purpose of smoking dope is to get hiiiiiigh (which means you no longer have your full mental facilities...shag01 is a walking testimony).
shagster01
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You've never smoked it. You have faulty 3rd hand info.
Wanna tell me how a lady's menstrual cycle feels too?
No, medical examiners do, and the ME would determine if the cause of death was dope, alcohol or cell phone.
I see that you're living in your ideal fantasy world where dopers are responsible parents.
And from swimming accidents. Make water illegal, right?
Being that smoking dope can cause testicular cancer (and hence the said doper would lose his capabilty of reproducing), in certain cases I'm not against dope smoking.
student x: toke away.