ECT MAD implies both Jesus and Paul are liars.

dodge

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2Ti 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.


Paul taught and believed that the OT had more than enough truth about Jesus that just by believing and trusting the OT there was sufficient truth to "make one wise unto salvation through faith in Christ Jesus".

If Paul was right , and I know he was:

Mad is wrong and error on every level.

1. Since many in MAD believe (falsely) that Paul was the first in the B.O.C. because of the "mystery" he revealed HOW then could Timothy have been saved JUST by knowing the OT and been made wise in the things concerning Christ Jesus.

2. If the meaning and message of salvation was hidden as those in MAD believe ( falsely)how could Timothy have had faith in Jesus based on the OT alone ? Can you not see the " through faith in Jesus" that Paul said was available in the OT ?


Jesus said, " if they believe not Moses and the prophets neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead", and that is still true today !

Again the OT:
More than enough to believe , trust, and be saved in the OT through Moses and the prophets.

Jesus said if folks did not believe Moses and the prophets ,uh oh ! Believe what ? Obviously Jesus, faith, GRACE, and salvation through Jesus are taught in the OT ; otherwise , Jesus would have been lying when He said NEITHER will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead, which HE did !

The foundation was laid in the OT and fulfilled in the NT.


As those in MAD want to ignore the 4 gospels and all scripture except for what Paul wrote scripture says Jesus is in the WHOLE BOOK.

Psa 40:7
Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
Heb 10:7
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
 
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john w

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Could you kindly weigh in, and tell us, if you think MAD SPREADS LIES? And, COULD YOU RESPOND IN CAPS, TO CONVINCE US ALL, IN CONTEXT?
 

john w

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Your argument is with what Jesus and Paul taught NOT with me.

Could you kindly weigh in, and tell us, if you think MAD SPREADS LIES? And, COULD YOU RESPOND IN CAPS, TO CONVINCE US ALL, IN CONTEXT? And, could you please raise the dead, specifically, my Uncle Joe, who owed me $5.76, before he croaked?
 

dodge

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STILL not a word about the scriptures in the OP !

Opinion about scripture does not mean it is true if you IGNORE the context of said scripture.

Opinions with not ONE addressing the actual scriptures ! Classic MAD ignore and move on.


2Ti 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.


Jesus said if folks did not believe Moses and the prophets ,uh oh ! Believe what ? Obviously Jesus, faith, GRACE, and salvation through Jesus are taught in the OT ; otherwise , Jesus would have been lying when He said NEITHER will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead, which HE did !
 

Tambora

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2Ti 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.


Paul taught and believed that the OT had more than enough truth about Jesus that just by believing and trusting the OT there was sufficient truth to "make one wise unto salvation through faith in Christ Jesus".

If Paul was right , and I know he was:

Mad is wrong and error on every level.

1. Since many in MAD believe (falsely) that Paul was the first in the B.O.C. because of the "mystery" he revealed HOW then could Timothy have been saved JUST by knowing the OT and been made wise in the things concerning Christ Jesus.

2. If the meaning and message of salvation was hidden as those in MAD believe ( falsely)how could Timothy have had faith in Jesus based on the OT alone ? Can you not see the " through faith in Jesus" that Paul said was available in the OT ?


Jesus said, " if they believe not Moses and the prophets neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead", and that is still true today !

Again the OT:
More than enough to believe , trust, and be saved in the OT through Moses and the prophets.

Jesus said if folks did not believe Moses and the prophets ,uh oh ! Believe what ? Obviously Jesus, faith, GRACE, and salvation through Jesus are taught in the OT ; otherwise , Jesus would have been lying when He said NEITHER will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead, which HE did !

The foundation was laid in the OT and fulfilled in the NT.


As those in MAD want to ignore the 4 gospels and all scripture except for what Paul wrote scripture says Jesus is in the WHOLE BOOK.

Psa 40:7
Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
Heb 10:7
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
You do understand that there is MORE than the scripture you posted don't you ?
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Tambora

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2Ti 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
You do understand that there is MORE than the scripture you posted don't you ?
 

Tambora

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Yes, I do but I do not call Jesus and Paul liars by rejecting those scriptures to follow the lies of other men.
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john w

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Opinion about scripture does not mean it is true if you IGNORE the context of said scripture.

COULD YOU PUT THE WHOLE POST IN CAPS, i.e., IGNORE THE CONTEXT OF SAID SCRIPTURE?


So, let me get this straight- You say MAD SPREADS LIES, AND IGNORES THE CONTEXT OF SAID SCRIPTURE?
 

john w

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Yes, I do but I do not call Jesus and Paul liars by rejecting those scriptures to follow the lies of other men.

So, let me get this straight-are not all lies, the lies of men, OR DID I QUOTE YOU OUT OF CONTEXT?
 
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