Yes-he wings most of his "doctrine."
Jesus: The end and the fulfillment of the Old Testament
- Thread starter Robert Pate
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HOGWASH!
The Gospel makes the law of no effect so it was abolished.
All that Jesus was and all that Jesus did was for our justification and our salvation. "We are complete in Christ" Colossians 2:14.
The law has been fulfilled, sin, death and the devil have been defeated, the law has been abolished. Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus we can now stand before God's holy court as perfect and complete in Christ.
If you still feel that you need the law and religion, chances are you are not saved.
musterion
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Pateism. The newest cult.
No. Paul says the Law is good if a man use it correctly, which you are not. It is "abolished" only in that the believer has, in a sense, been abolished out from under Law. The Law has not moved. The believer did, from death to life. Those declared dead are no longer under the Law they died to.
Paul doesn't say that. Spamming it won't make it true.
Who is "you"?
No. Paul says the Law is good if a man use it correctly, which you are not. It is "abolished" only in that the believer has, in a sense, been abolished out from under Law. The Law has not moved. The believer did, from death to life. Those declared dead are no longer under the Law they died to.
Paul doesn't say that. Spamming it won't make it true.
Who is "you"?
Wonder if it helps that the 10 commandments are really more like the 10 words or sayings or descriptions...
It’s not so much “thou shalt not” but “where I am there is no...”
Yah hates sin that heart/attitude that keeps one from wanting to be with Him doing things His way...
The law just lets us know what to expect when we are WITH HIM...
...on earth as it is in heaven...
Paul also said, "Knowing this, that the law is not made for the righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and mothers and murderers of mothers and for manslayers" 1 Timothy 1:9.
If any of the above fits, then the law is for you. The righteous man is the man that lives by faith in Christ and his Gospel. He is justified by faith and not the law. He is thankful that the law has been abolished. If he is justified by faith, then who needs the law?
This again?
The Gospel makes the law of no affect is true
but that doesn’t meant it abolishes the Law
You sitting there in the chair posting your claims means the chair keeps you from hitting the floor.
The chair does not however destroy the law of gravity...it just keeps you...like the Law
You are apparently subject to the law. We have confidence when we stand before the Lord that he has abolished sin, death, the devil and the law and that we are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.
No, it was not-the sin debt/IOU was, demon. You reject that Christ died to pay the sin debt/IOU, asserting, satanically, that the solution to the sins issue is abolishing the law, which would mean, by definition, that Christ died for nothing, in vain.
Paul says the law is good, holy, spiritual, not void, is not contrary/against us, and says that the sin debt/IOU is contrary/against us, not the law. Hence, the reason He died-to pay our sin debt/IOU, by definition, for breaking a law that exists.
1. Sophistry. Pate: This "Jesus" slept for me, ate for me, ....................
2. On record: He asserts that the Lord Jesus Christ was water baptized for us, kept the feasts for us..................=his walk in the law-imputed to us=righteousness of the law, and this justifies us, not the righteousness of God. That is satanic, a doctrine of demons.
3. Begs the question, i.e., he assumes what must be proved in his "all...." No, Pate, as you have been shown by me/others, the reason the Saviour walked in the law, yes, for us, but not for the satanic reason you assert, i.e., "vicarious law keeping," you asserting his walk in the law is credited/imputed to our account. Not one scripture teaches this doctrine of demons, righteousness by the law. He walked in the law, to be qualified as the satisfactory sacrifice, the "lamb w/o spot/blemish." It's called "propitiation," a doctrine of which Pate is clueless, as he has not once, on TOL, even mentioned it-not once.
True.
Made up-one of hundreds of verses, refuting your satanism:
Psalms 111 KJV
7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.
8 They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.
But not your satanic assertion that this "doing" included being your "vicarious law keeping" doctrine of demons.
Satanic false dichotomy. You assert that the law must be destroyed/abolished/made void, to be justified.
No, we are justified not because the law no longer exists,not because the law was destroyed, not because the law was made void, as you demonically assert, but because Christ died for us, paying the sin debt/IOU, for breaking God's existing good, holy, spiritual law.
You reject that, and thus make Christ's death worthless, vain.
Romans 3:21 KJV But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
"being witnessed by the law"
Paul used the law, to witness to the gospel of Christ, the righteousness of God, w/o the law, as He is our righteousness, apart from the law.
Pate: To h with you, Paul!!!!!The law no longer exists!!! God abolished it, destroyed it, made it void!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You wicked demon.
If justified by faith then how does one live...Spirit led...? Again...living Spirit led what does that look like?
Living not with just faith in Him...but His faith...
Here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith OF Jesus Christ...see? Live LIKE Him...HIS way
If I am trusting in the law to save me then, I am under a curse, Galatians 3:10.
You are trying to use physical law as an example for spiritual law.
So you will not keep His Law while standing before the Lord? Maybe steal from Him?
If you stand before the Lord under the law, you will perish.
wanting to keep the Law because we are saved BY HIM is not trusting in the Law to become saved
I know right? Funny how it works...like a parable or something...
So you will try and steal from Him...LOL
might as well...you insist on baring false witness here...
Duh...so now we can go and steal murder commit adultery? You know, as you claim the Law being abolished...do as Thou willst
those in Him don’t even WANT to...
Pate:'s "logic: The law was made for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and mothers and murderers of mothers and for manslayers, even though it no longer exists.
The believer not being under the law, it's authority, "not made(my emphasis-it's authority, as a rule of life-my note)for the righteous man," is not equivalent to the law being destroyed/abolished, you demon.
Pate to the judge: Judge, if you do not abolish the law, we are all guilty of breaking it!!! Abolish the law against speeding, adultery, rape, murder.....................because these are contrary to me/us in society, and we might break them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Abolish the law, judge!!!!! I do not want to pay this debt/IOU, nor do I want anyone to pay my debt(Pate-"No, on Christ dying for our sin debt/IOU, paying it on our behalf")for breaking these bad laws that are against all of us!!!!!!!!!!!!!Abolish these bad laws!!!! That is the solution!!!
The judge: The laws are good, for everyone's benefit. They stand. The problem is with you/society breaking the good laws, and the fine/debt/IOU for breaking these laws(sin/offense/transgression)is against you, not the good law itself . Pay the fine. And lock this lunatic up.
Pate: Abolish the law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
musterion
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Why are you asking dishonest questions? You said the Law no longer exists.
Dementia is a terrible disease to witness....
The Holy Spirit will NEVER lead one to sin, but the law will, Romans 7:8-11.