Jesus SEPARATE from Jehovah; calls Jehovah "my God."

[Nihilo]

Indeed, it may be an opinion, point of view, perspective of Christology,...of course. It is presented as such, with supporting logics, commentary and other learned opinions

Of course, as are all opinions presented by the learned, when attempting to persuade.

Well, Christianity down thru the ages hasn't exactly been a picture of love, universal peace or righteousness, and her extremes and distortions have brought wars, calamities, destruction, strife, death in her path. We needn't rehearse the history here lest such facts be seen as 'anti-christian'

It's also irrelevant to the topic. Nobody's suggesting a moral test to determine the truth of a teaching, even if it's a moral teaching.

If you're referring to the Lord Jesus as teaching a Trinity, you'll be hard pressed to prove he taught such, as it was a later doctrinal development, at least to be formally defined and hashed out in the 4th century, definitively speaking as far as 'orthodoxy' goes,...a 'designation' proclaimed by those who had the 'power' to say so. You know how the "because I say so" method of theological correctness goes - ha!

This is the root of where we greatly differ in our views. John 15:16 (KJV) has the Lord Jesus ordaining His Apostles and Paul writes later that these same Apostles (less Judas plus him) are the foundation of the Church, that Christ said He'd build upon Peter. These Apostles ordained through the imposition of hands other bishops (1P5:1KJV showing where Peter is merely first among equals), and then instructed and guided them on ordaining other overseers themselves. Holy Orders has proceeded unendingly ever since, always as in the beginning through the imposition of hands. Today's bishops lay hands on newly consecrated bishops, as they had done to them, going all the way back to the Apostles, an unending chain of hands.

Whatever these bishops teach is, both directly and by extension, what the Lord teaches, because the Lord chose the whole notion of bishops in the first place. And so the Lord teaches the Trinity. And He always has. Those passages that speak of Christ and the Father being together in the beginning forbid me from thinking of Christ as a Son of God. "God or fraud." Unitarianism/arianism in my experience is tantamount to atheism, but I know it's not the same for everybody. If you believe in the Maker, and you don't believe in Jesus Christ (John 3:16 KJV John 14:1KJV), then Islam is the faith tradition you're looking for.

Since Jesus as a learned Jew held to and quoted strictly monotheist/Unitarian scriptures,..I don't see where any Trinity is, except in later metaphysical analogies, or relational hypothesis crafted in later Christological innovations. A purely UNITARIAN view is wholly compatible and germane to Jewish scripture,.

This is begging the question.

..and even with-in the NT, it can still be maintained, without any further complications of dogma on a 'godhead'.

There are difficult passages for Unitarians/arians, just as there are for Trinitarians, if we just come to the Scripture in a vacuum, from a vacuum. For that matter that's true for Calvinists and Arminians too. There are more difficult verses for Unitarians/arians than there are for Trinitarians though.

If one wants to believe in any creed or dogmas, they can knock themselves out. - thank the gods we freedom of religion - and I threw in 'gods' just to razzle the fundies of course

'Big fan of freedom of religion.

 

[God's Truth]

Am I stepping out of line for calling the idea that Jesus is Jehovah ABSURD? They are clearly two distinct persons, as anyone can see who bothers to read, for example, Psalm 110:1,2 or Isaiah 61:1 (along with Luke 4:18-21).

We can also see two individuals at Psalm 2:2,6-8:

"The kings of the earth take their stand and high officials have massed together as one against Jehovah AND against his anointed one....[Jehovah says] 'I, even I, have installed my king upon Zion, my holy mountain.' Let me refer to the decree of Jehovah; He has said to me: 'You are my son...Ask of me, that I may give nations as your inheritance and the ends of the earth as your own possession. You will break them with an iron scepter, as though a potter's vessel you will dash them to pieces,'"

Does that look like Jehovah and Jesus are the same Person?


I think we agree that Jehovah is the Father, and is God Almighty. Jesus completely subjugated himself to the Father, and called the Father, Jehovah, "my God." "I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God." (John 20:17) He also called Jehovah "my God" at Revelation 3:12, when bringing an awesome vision to John.

It seems clear, I think, to a reasonable person, that Jehovah and Jesus are Father and Son....two distinct individuals.

God the Father came as a Man in the flesh. What would you have a Man say when talking to God in heaven?

 

[Nihilo]

God the Father came as a Man in the flesh.

Scripture doesn't say that, nor does the Church.

 

[Nihilo]

Am I stepping out of line for calling the idea that Jesus is Jehovah ABSURD? They are clearly two distinct persons, as anyone can see who bothers to read, for example, Psalm 110:1,2 or Isaiah 61:1 (along with Luke 4:18-21).

The Church teaches that there is distinction between the Father and the Son.

We can also see two individuals at Psalm 2:2,6-8:

"The kings of the earth take their stand and high officials have massed together as one against Jehovah AND against his anointed one....[Jehovah says] 'I, even I, have installed my king upon Zion, my holy mountain.' Let me refer to the decree of Jehovah; He has said to me: 'You are my son...Ask of me, that I may give nations as your inheritance and the ends of the earth as your own possession. You will break them with an iron scepter, as though a potter's vessel you will dash them to pieces,'"

Does that look like Jehovah and Jesus are the same Person?

The Church teaches that there is distinction between the Father and the Son.

I think we agree that Jehovah is the Father, and is God Almighty. Jesus completely subjugated himself to the Father, and called the Father, Jehovah, "my God." "I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God." (John 20:17) He also called Jehovah "my God" at Revelation 3:12, when bringing an awesome vision to John.

It seems clear, I think, to a reasonable person, that Jehovah and Jesus are Father and Son....two distinct individuals.

The Church teaches that there is distinction between the Father and the Son.

 

[God's Truth]

Scripture doesn't say that, nor does the Church.

The Bible shows it.

 

[S-word]

Scripture doesn't say that, nor does the Church.

It was the Son of God, who was equal to God in every way, a carbon copy, a duplication, who came down and filled the man Jesus, (The body that God had prepared for him) with his spirt.


5 Therefore, when Christ, (The only exception of all mankind to hsve been carried to the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation, and was anointed as his successor, and translated to a glorious body of light, in order that he should never experience death, was about to come into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me.

That body was the man Jesus on whom the Spirit of our Lord and saviour descended in the form of a dove, as the heavenly voice was heard to say, "You are my son (My Successor)THIS DAY I have begotten thee."

Jesus, the earthly host body of the son of Man, the MOST HIGH in the creation, through who, our saviour revealed himself and the awesome sacrifice he makes for the body of mankind in which he developed.














6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. 7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll— I have come to do your will, my God.’ ”

 

[meshak]

It was the Son of God, who was equal to God in every way, a carbon copy, a duplication, who came down and filled the man Jesus, (The body that God had prepared for him) with his spirt.

Jesus says His Father is greater than Jesus.

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

Nope that doesn't upset me, but perhaps the truth as reveal in scripture, might upset you.

Deuteronomy 18: 18; YHVH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people everything I command. He will speak in my name etc.

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when in reference to Jesus he says in. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Acts 3:19; “Repent then and turn to God, (Not to Jesus, but to God) so that He (God) will forgive your sins. If you do, times of spiritual strength will come from the Lord, and He will send Jesus, who is the Messiah that he has already CHOSEN for you. The man Jesus, was chosen and made both Lord and saviour by “Who I Am”.

Did the people of his day believe that Jesus was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD” Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had prophesied that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.

Jesus who admits that he spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by our Lord God and saviour, says in John 5: 24; “Whoever hear my words (The words that he was commanded to say) and believes in “HIM” who sent me, has eternal life.

John 14: 24; “And the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father’s who sent me. Not my Father, but THE Father.

Jesus said to Mary Magdalene in John 20: 17; Go to my brothers and tell them that I am ascending to my Father and their Father, to my God and their God.

Whose words were these in reference to the body of Jesus, which had been filled by the spirit of the Lord which had descended upon him in the form of a dove, and in whose name, Jesus spoke?

“Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?”

Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.

1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.

2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he, who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.

Acts 3: 13; The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our ancestors has given divine glory to his servant Jesus.

If you need more, please don't be afraid to ask.

Adoptionist... that's pretty rare. And your account was created recently? Not that I would know about such things.

I will address each of your scriptures when I have time. But for now,

Do you believe God came in Flesh by the Holy Spirit being married to humanity within Mary's womb?

Do you believe that there is any higher "Prophet" than God Himself?

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the propitiation for sin of all mankind and do you understand (John 6:29, 63 and Ephesians 2:8f) as referring to the full meaning of John 3:16f ?

Lastly,

Do you believe in the supremacy of scripture?

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

It was the Son of God, who was equal to God in every way, a carbon copy, a duplication, who came down and filled the man Jesus, (The body that God had prepared for him) with his spirt.

5 Therefore, when Christ, (The only exception of all mankind to hsve been carried to the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation, and was anointed as his successor, and translated to a glorious body of light, in order that he should never experience death, was about to come into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me.

That body was the man Jesus on whom the Spirit of our Lord and saviour descended in the form of a dove, as the heavenly voice was heard to say, "You are my son (My Successor)THIS DAY I have begotten thee."

Jesus, the earthly host body of the son of Man, the MOST HIGH in the creation, through who, our saviour revealed himself and the awesome sacrifice he makes for the body of mankind in which he developed.

6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. 7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll— I have come to do your will, my God.’ ”

Let's focus on your statement highlighted in red that is backed by scripture...

Philippians 2:5-11 ...Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,​

Here, we see Jesus is indeed Equal to God. Why did God "send" Jesus? (Is. 43:11) I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior... This is the Mighty Father speaking through His prophet, Isaiah. (Luke 2:21) And when eight days were completed for the circumcision of the Child, His name was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb.... conceived by Whome? (Matthew 1:18) Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: ... she was found with child of the Holy Spirit... why did God "send" Jesus? (Luke 2:11) For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. ... So... Jesus is born of the Holy Spirit, through Mary.. conceived within womb by the Holy Spirit... YHWH clearly says HE ALONE is Savior and Jesus is angelically declared the Savior, that John 3:16f affirms.

7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.​

Here we can see that Jesus was not only the very LOGOS or FORM and PRESENCE of God, but He, by His own AUTHORITY, chose to liken himself unto a lowly bond servant of GOD, "His Father". Something is off here... Jesus would then be the image of God! (Colossians 1:15) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Here we have two serious theological issues... first... God said; (Is. 46:9) Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, This would be a problem, because the only time we see God, it is considered the "GLORY" of God the Father. It would mean that Jesus is the literal, Physical Manifestation of God... and... continuitivly... we have 1 Tim. 3:16... The second hurdle is the implications of the title "FIRST BORN". WHO but GOD can take GOD's PLACE if (Isaiah 46:9) is true?

8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.​

Why would He do this? (Hebrews 2:14 in light of 1 Tim. 3:16) Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, What ended up empowering the devil? (1 Cor. 15:54f,56f) 56 The sting (that sounds like a serpent bite) of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. So Jesus had authority over God's Law? Jesus is our victory, thus, He is our Savior? (Is. 43:11)

That's odd! That would make Jesus (Isaiah 9:6)!

(Php. 2:10f) that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Does that verse look familiar?

(Isaiah 45:23f) I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath. So... God swears by Himself? This sounds a lot like (Mt. 22:44) ... But more interesting... Do you see that the Name of Jesus is now in the place of YHWH? It's like the Apostle cut out YHWH and pasted Jesus' name right in there?!?!

What's so important about all of these verses?

The Hebrew Scroll of Isaiah that was found in the Dead Sea scrolls, is the oldest of all known scrolls in Hebrew that is completely intact. It surpasses even the SEPTUAGINT in Authority, because it is in original HEBREW! Sooooo..... Where do we go from here?

Let's see that one more time!

23 I have sworn by Myself;
The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness,
And shall not return,
That to Me every knee shall bow,
Every tongue shall take an oath.
24 He shall say,
‘Surely in the Lord I have righteousness and strength.
To Him men shall come,

10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

So if I Bow to Jesus and confess HIM as my MASTER or LORD... (Mt. 6:24 + Isaiah 45:5) ... I'm doing so TO The GLORY of the FATHER?

Glory of the Father? Where have I seen that before?

Wait!!! That would mean that JESUS is the very GLORY and PHYSICAL manifestation of (Av-'ad or The Mighty Father!!!!) (Is. 9:6). Notice how this all dropped into place and I didn't have to change one word of scripture to do so? I wonder why that is?

 

[God's Truth]

Scripture doesn't say that, nor does the Church.

The scriptures DO SAY THAT.

 

[Nihilo]

God the Father came as a Man in the flesh.

Scripture doesn't say that, nor does the Church.

The scriptures DO SAY THAT.

Do tell. We'll wait, for an eternity.

 

[God's Truth]

​

​

Do tell. We'll wait, for an eternity.

He came in the flesh:

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

He is God.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

There is only one God and He is the Father.

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father,

There is no one besides Him or like Him.

Deuteronomy 4:35
"To you it was shown that you might know that the LORD, He is God; there is no other besides Him.

Exodus 8:10
Then he said, "Tomorrow." So he said, "May it be according to your word, that you may know that there is no one like the LORD our God.

When you see Jesus, you can say, "I see the Father".

John 14:9
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit,

There is only one Spirit.

Ephesians 4:4
There is one body and one Spirit,

I have proven my beliefs with scripture.

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

​

​

Do tell. We'll wait, for an eternity.

According to (1 Tim. 3:16, 2 John 1:7, Isaiah 45:5; 43:11 and Isaiah 9:6) GT is accurate.

However... GT doesn't understand the meaning of the TriUne expression of God. She doesn't understand that we are hidden in Him and counted dead to our sin and debt of sin. She is still trying to be in the "Father", instead of the "Son" by saying we are still under the authority of all Laws, excluding Saccrifice and Cleansing.

How do I know this? Hours and Hours with GT in debate.

She understands that Jesus is the fullness of God, but she misses the fact that the "Son" alone defeated sin, and the "Son" (God) alone can be Good...

I'm fairly certain she knows that Jesus dwells within us... (Romans 8:9 + Philippians 1:19 + Ga. 4:6)

But she tries to do what only the "Holy Spirit" can do. She doesn't understand S-U-R-R-E-N-D-E-R... or Ephesians 2:8 John 6:29; 63 and so on.

 

[Nihilo]

Spoiler

He came in the flesh:

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

He is God.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

There is only one God and He is the Father.

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father,

There is no one besides Him or like Him.

Deuteronomy 4:35
"To you it was shown that you might know that the LORD, He is God; there is no other besides Him.

Exodus 8:10
Then he said, "Tomorrow." So he said, "May it be according to your word, that you may know that there is no one like the LORD our God.

When you see Jesus, you can say, "I see the Father".

John 14:9
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit,

There is only one Spirit.

Ephesians 4:4
There is one body and one Spirit,

I have proven my beliefs with scripture.

But you neglect the real distinctions apparent in passages littered throughout Scripture between the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit; and the Church's teaching on the Most Holy and Most Blessed and Undivided Trinity does not. Anybody can quote-unquote prove anything from the Bible. What we're looking for is God's Truth here, not what GT thinks that the Scripture says.

 

[Nihilo]

According to (1 Tim. 3:16, 2 John 1:7, Isaiah 45:5; 43:11 and Isaiah 9:6) GT is accurate.

GT is not accurate, see my preceding post.

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

GT is not accurate, see my preceding post.

Ah So! I see it! GT recognizes how (Dt. 6:4 and Rv. 4:2) are absolute fact. She understands that the Spirit and the Logos are truly ONE... but, she's missing everything in between that our very salvation hinges on.

I'll attach my study and exposition to the matter in 3 spoiler formats.

Spoiler

Luke 2:11 and Isaiah 9:6 ... Can anyone but Avi-'ad be called "Avi-'ad"?

His name will be "Avi-'ad" (MIGHTY FATHER)

There is a reckoning between Modalism that minimizes God's TriUne revelation of His salvational work and Polytheism that makes God 3 separate entities acting as one. Modalism denies the relationship of The Father to the Son... it further denies the WORK of the Son and our Marriage to The Son... (Ephesians 5:30). However, to suggest God is not (Dt. 6:4 or Rv. 4:2) is unbiblical. So how do we stay true to Jesus and scripture?

According to Philippians 2:9... Jesus is the Name above all names. This would compliment Isaiah 9:6. And... it does so quite well.

This makes it easy to know with biblical assurance that Jesus is Avi-'ad... as Isaiah says.

And... according to 1 John 4:2 -(sidetrack 1 John 4:2 can be misinterpreted... easily... by people that don't believe that Jesus is God... it is literally saying that to deny that "God"... expressed with the Name above all names...came in "flesh". Once the flesh thing is said... Romans 8:3 must be noted... "likeness" is not "sinful flesh"... lest we accidentally suggest God had ever sinned... is a very bad idea. end of sidetrack)- and 2 John 1:7 ... it's a pretty bad idea to suggest that Avi-'ad didn't walk amongst us in flesh.

This makes a solid case to say... in answer to your question...

Is the Father the only true God?

NO! To say there is "Only" the "Father" would be to deny the "Mystery" of 1 Timothy 3:16 and Colossians 2:9 .

In other words.. we would unknowingly be discarding our hope and salvation, by denying that the Father and the Son are indeed ONE... but at the same time... to deny that the Son is the presence of Avi-''ad married to humanity.

Literally...

Son of God (1 John 4:15)
Son of Man (Matthew 9:6)

Any tampering with this truth is "divorcing" ourselves from the "BrideGroom". (Ephesians 5:30)

Also... to deny that the Father and Son experienced a deep relationship that was genuine... is again a trashing of God's Revelation of Love towards us. (Galatians 4:6 + Romans 8:9 + Philippians 1:19)

I would be glad to express the Holy Spirit as well... but I wanted to focus on your question.... though... Galatians 4:6 would be a good Segway.

Spoiler

Yet... I'm the same person that wrote this...

The Trinity is not a doctrine! The simple matter is God came in Flesh to reveal His Love and true nature to us. He cinched things up along the way by atoning for ALL human sin, then... after departing in His resurrected temple from the Mount of Olives... He returned to all of us who welcome Him in the Name of Jesus and Love, in the formless-in-dwelling presence of the Holy Spirit oF Christ!!!! Philippians 1:19 ... If you want to be spooky with it... He's also known as The Holy Ghost!! Period! Father (Spirit without Form)... The Son is the union of humanity and (The Spirit without form)... The Holy Spirit is the Presence... Literal Presence of God within our Hearts (1 John 2:27; Philippians 1:19; Romans 8:9). The (Three) testify of the ONE.. (Deuteronomy 6:4). I don't care who a person is... to go beyond this is absurd! It's a SPIRITUAL MYSTERY!!! To go beyond scripture is worthless

Spoiler

The mystery of (Deuteronomy 6:4 + 1 John 5:7-8 + Philippians 2:9 + Matthew 28:19 + John 14:9)

Modalism denies that there is a "Mystery" to God joining with all creation... (Hebrews 2:13-14 + Romans 8:3)

In this union... "Avi-'Ad" uniquely related to His "Express Image Of Himself" (Hebrews 1:3 + Colossians 1:15) or "Only Begotten Son" (John 3:16) in a genuine Father to Son relationship. He was literally His own Father and Son ... While Humanity was Entrusted with "Avi-'Ad" (Isaiah 9:6) as it's very Son as well. Thus... (Son of Man)

Upon saying "Father, into Thy Hands I commend My Spirit" another sacred union was established... through Christ bearing our sins before the Father.

What we are now left with is a REVELATION OF LOVE! This Love binds us to "THE SON" as "THE SON IS BOUND TO THE FATHER". (John 14:7 + John 15:9-17)

We know that Jesus is Avi-'Ad per (Isaiah 9:6)

In this... it could explain why GT doesn't understand grace.

 

[God's Truth]

Ah So! I see it! GT recognizes how (Dt. 6:4 and Rv. 4:2) are absolute fact. She understands that the Spirit and the Logos are truly ONE... but, she's missing everything in between that our very salvation hinges on.

I'll attach my study and exposition to the matter in 3 spoiler formats.

Spoiler

Luke 2:11 and Isaiah 9:6 ... Can anyone but Avi-'ad be called "Avi-'ad"?

His name will be "Avi-'ad" (MIGHTY FATHER)

There is a reckoning between Modalism that minimizes God's TriUne revelation of His salvational work and Polytheism that makes God 3 separate entities acting as one. Modalism denies the relationship of The Father to the Son... it further denies the WORK of the Son and our Marriage to The Son... (Ephesians 5:30). However, to suggest God is not (Dt. 6:4 or Rv. 4:2) is unbiblical. So how do we stay true to Jesus and scripture?

According to Philippians 2:9... Jesus is the Name above all names. This would compliment Isaiah 9:6. And... it does so quite well.

This makes it easy to know with biblical assurance that Jesus is Avi-'ad... as Isaiah says.

And... according to 1 John 4:2 -(sidetrack 1 John 4:2 can be misinterpreted... easily... by people that don't believe that Jesus is God... it is literally saying that to deny that "God"... expressed with the Name above all names...came in "flesh". Once the flesh thing is said... Romans 8:3 must be noted... "likeness" is not "sinful flesh"... lest we accidentally suggest God had ever sinned... is a very bad idea. end of sidetrack)- and 2 John 1:7 ... it's a pretty bad idea to suggest that Avi-'ad didn't walk amongst us in flesh.

This makes a solid case to say... in answer to your question...

Is the Father the only true God?

NO! To say there is "Only" the "Father" would be to deny the "Mystery" of 1 Timothy 3:16 and Colossians 2:9 .

In other words.. we would unknowingly be discarding our hope and salvation, by denying that the Father and the Son are indeed ONE... but at the same time... to deny that the Son is the presence of Avi-''ad married to humanity.

Literally...

Son of God (1 John 4:15)
Son of Man (Matthew 9:6)

Any tampering with this truth is "divorcing" ourselves from the "BrideGroom". (Ephesians 5:30)

Also... to deny that the Father and Son experienced a deep relationship that was genuine... is again a trashing of God's Revelation of Love towards us. (Galatians 4:6 + Romans 8:9 + Philippians 1:19)

I would be glad to express the Holy Spirit as well... but I wanted to focus on your question.... though... Galatians 4:6 would be a good Segway.

Spoiler

Yet... I'm the same person that wrote this...

The Trinity is not a doctrine! The simple matter is God came in Flesh to reveal His Love and true nature to us. He cinched things up along the way by atoning for ALL human sin, then... after departing in His resurrected temple from the Mount of Olives... He returned to all of us who welcome Him in the Name of Jesus and Love, in the formless-in-dwelling presence of the Holy Spirit oF Christ!!!! Philippians 1:19 ... If you want to be spooky with it... He's also known as The Holy Ghost!! Period! Father (Spirit without Form)... The Son is the union of humanity and (The Spirit without form)... The Holy Spirit is the Presence... Literal Presence of God within our Hearts (1 John 2:27; Philippians 1:19; Romans 8:9). The (Three) testify of the ONE.. (Deuteronomy 6:4). I don't care who a person is... to go beyond this is absurd! It's a SPIRITUAL MYSTERY!!! To go beyond scripture is worthless

Spoiler

The mystery of (Deuteronomy 6:4 + 1 John 5:7-8 + Philippians 2:9 + Matthew 28:19 + John 14:9)

Modalism denies that there is a "Mystery" to God joining with all creation... (Hebrews 2:13-14 + Romans 8:3)

In this union... "Avi-'Ad" uniquely related to His "Express Image Of Himself" (Hebrews 1:3 + Colossians 1:15) or "Only Begotten Son" (John 3:16) in a genuine Father to Son relationship. He was literally His own Father and Son ... While Humanity was Entrusted with "Avi-'Ad" (Isaiah 9:6) as it's very Son as well. Thus... (Son of Man)

Upon saying "Father, into Thy Hands I commend My Spirit" another sacred union was established... through Christ bearing our sins before the Father.

What we are now left with is a REVELATION OF LOVE! This Love binds us to "THE SON" as "THE SON IS BOUND TO THE FATHER". (John 14:7 + John 15:9-17)

We know that Jesus is Avi-'Ad per (Isaiah 9:6)

In this... it could explain why GT doesn't understand grace.

I understand Grace.

You are the one who does not.

 

[God's Truth]

But you neglect the real distinctions apparent in passages littered throughout Scripture between the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit; and the Church's teaching on the Most Holy and Most Blessed and Undivided Trinity does not. Anybody can quote-unquote prove anything from the Bible. What we're looking for is God's Truth here, not what GT thinks that the Scripture says.

The scriptures are written plainly, they are clear.

The apostles from the New Testament received all the truth we need to guide us to eternal life. All we need to guide us to eternal life is written down in the Scriptures: John 16:13; 2 Peter 1:3; Acts 20:20, 27; Matthew 28:20; I Corinthians 14:37; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17.
God’s word is understandable even to a young child. How from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus, see 2 Timothy 3:15. We do not need elected men to interpret God’s word for us, but we are to check the scriptures to check out those claiming to be teachers, see Mark 7:14; 2 Timothy 3:15, 16, 17; John 20:30, 31; Acts 17:11; and, Psalm 119:105. For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that, as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.

See 2 Corinthians 1:13,14. God revealed the truth to little children, and God hid the truth from the wise and learned.

We are not to follow tradition or church laws or any human rules as authority for the church (Matthew 15:1-14; Colossians 2:8; Galatians 1:6-9; Proverbs 14:12; 2 John 9-11; Jeremiah 10:23).

 

[Nihilo]

Ah So! I see it! GT recognizes how (Dt. 6:4 and Rv. 4:2) are absolute fact. She understands that the Spirit and the Logos are truly ONE... but, she's missing everything in between that our very salvation hinges on.

I don't know. I also don't know that GT is a lady or a man, or a group of people manning the one user account. We have to treat every user account as suspect because of the rampant duplicity that occurs here regularly, re: sock accounts. It's a skill we have to have here to survive, because we only know which account we ourselves direct. GT's blindspot is their insubordination IMO, stubbornness.

I'll attach my study and exposition to the matter in 3 spoiler formats.

Spoiler

Luke 2:11 and Isaiah 9:6 ... Can anyone but Avi-'ad be called "Avi-'ad"?

His name will be "Avi-'ad" (MIGHTY FATHER)

There is a reckoning between Modalism that minimizes God's TriUne revelation of His salvational work and Polytheism that makes God 3 separate entities acting as one. Modalism denies the relationship of The Father to the Son... it further denies the WORK of the Son and our Marriage to The Son... (Ephesians 5:30). However, to suggest God is not (Dt. 6:4 or Rv. 4:2) is unbiblical. So how do we stay true to Jesus and scripture?

According to Philippians 2:9... Jesus is the Name above all names. This would compliment Isaiah 9:6. And... it does so quite well.

This makes it easy to know with biblical assurance that Jesus is Avi-'ad... as Isaiah says.

And... according to 1 John 4:2 -(sidetrack 1 John 4:2 can be misinterpreted... easily... by people that don't believe that Jesus is God... it is literally saying that to deny that "God"... expressed with the Name above all names...came in "flesh". Once the flesh thing is said... Romans 8:3 must be noted... "likeness" is not "sinful flesh"... lest we accidentally suggest God had ever sinned... is a very bad idea. end of sidetrack)- and 2 John 1:7 ... it's a pretty bad idea to suggest that Avi-'ad didn't walk amongst us in flesh.

This makes a solid case to say... in answer to your question...

Is the Father the only true God?

NO! To say there is "Only" the "Father" would be to deny the "Mystery" of 1 Timothy 3:16 and Colossians 2:9 .

In other words.. we would unknowingly be discarding our hope and salvation, by denying that the Father and the Son are indeed ONE... but at the same time... to deny that the Son is the presence of Avi-''ad married to humanity.

Literally...

Son of God (1 John 4:15)
Son of Man (Matthew 9:6)

Any tampering with this truth is "divorcing" ourselves from the "BrideGroom". (Ephesians 5:30)

Also... to deny that the Father and Son experienced a deep relationship that was genuine... is again a trashing of God's Revelation of Love towards us. (Galatians 4:6 + Romans 8:9 + Philippians 1:19)

I would be glad to express the Holy Spirit as well... but I wanted to focus on your question.... though... Galatians 4:6 would be a good Segway.

Spoiler

Yet... I'm the same person that wrote this...

The Trinity is not a doctrine! The simple matter is God came in Flesh to reveal His Love and true nature to us. He cinched things up along the way by atoning for ALL human sin, then... after departing in His resurrected temple from the Mount of Olives... He returned to all of us who welcome Him in the Name of Jesus and Love, in the formless-in-dwelling presence of the Holy Spirit oF Christ!!!! Philippians 1:19 ... If you want to be spooky with it... He's also known as The Holy Ghost!! Period! Father (Spirit without Form)... The Son is the union of humanity and (The Spirit without form)... The Holy Spirit is the Presence... Literal Presence of God within our Hearts (1 John 2:27; Philippians 1:19; Romans 8:9). The (Three) testify of the ONE.. (Deuteronomy 6:4). I don't care who a person is... to go beyond this is absurd! It's a SPIRITUAL MYSTERY!!! To go beyond scripture is worthless

Spoiler

The mystery of (Deuteronomy 6:4 + 1 John 5:7-8 + Philippians 2:9 + Matthew 28:19 + John 14:9)

Modalism denies that there is a "Mystery" to God joining with all creation... (Hebrews 2:13-14 + Romans 8:3)

In this union... "Avi-'Ad" uniquely related to His "Express Image Of Himself" (Hebrews 1:3 + Colossians 1:15) or "Only Begotten Son" (John 3:16) in a genuine Father to Son relationship. He was literally His own Father and Son ... While Humanity was Entrusted with "Avi-'Ad" (Isaiah 9:6) as it's very Son as well. Thus... (Son of Man)

Upon saying "Father, into Thy Hands I commend My Spirit" another sacred union was established... through Christ bearing our sins before the Father.

What we are now left with is a REVELATION OF LOVE! This Love binds us to "THE SON" as "THE SON IS BOUND TO THE FATHER". (John 14:7 + John 15:9-17)

We know that Jesus is Avi-'Ad per (Isaiah 9:6)

In this... it could explain why GT doesn't understand grace.

I don't know how much of all this I'd agree with. I'd just add to it though that the one Christian faith (Eph4:5KJV) being Trinitarian, puts the Church under three and not just under One, even though the three are One God. We relate to each Person differently, the Father Almighty, the Only Begotten Son at His right hand, Who will come to judge the living and the dead, and the Holy Spirit whose temple the One Church is.

We are under the Father, and under the Son, and under the Holy Spirit. They are distinct, and yet they are One. Mentally in order to properly see ourselves in relation to the Maker, we need to believe in the Trinity, otherwise we are spiritually starved, crippled; this I infer, from the historical fact that the Church has always been Trinitarian.

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

I understand Grace.

You are the one who does not.

Why are you trying to charge people for it? (Mt. 21:13 and Lk. 19:46)

Didn't Jesus pay our debt in full? (Joh. 19:30)