glorydaz
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And the Spirit spoke through the mouth of a donkey, too, but it didn't mean He was dwelling in the donkey.
If you choose to believe the Scripture, why are you ignoring those that Jamie gave?
It pleased YHWH to bruise him, to make his soul an offering for sin
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And the Spirit spoke through the mouth of a donkey, too, but it didn't mean He was dwelling in the donkey.
If you choose to believe the Scripture, why are you ignoring those that Jamie gave?
All of the Twelve were still alive when Jesus was delivered up. They were not delivered up nor scourged in the synagogues until later, years later.
"But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you." (Matthew 10:17-20)
marhig
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It clearly says that the Spirit of the Father was in the apostles whilst Jesus was alive, and the Spirit of the Father is the Holy Spirit, Jamie said he was only in Jesus and John when Jesus was alive. No he wasn't!
marhig
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Jamie, Jesus is talking about the father being with them when he sent them out then, not in the future!
glorydaz
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Her being wrong doesn't make you right, but the verses she quotes contain the truth. You have to find it instead of running off to another verse that doesn't say what you claim.
marhig
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All verses don't just contain the truth, they are the truth!
"These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: 'Do not go into the way of the Gentiles'" (Matthew 10:5)
"You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles." (Matthew 10:18)
"But this He spoke concerning the Spirit whom those believing in Him would receive, for the holy Spirit was not yet given because Jesus was not yet glorified." (John 7:39)
People believe what they choose to believe. Some believe scripture, some don't.
marhig
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I do believe scripture, hence I believe that the Spirit of the Father which is the Holy Spirit was in the
Apostles as Jesus said in Matthew 10.
Anyway, we see it differently, so there's no point in going on.
In post 34 I said, "God's Spirit was not available to anyone while Jesus was human."
I should have phrased it not available to anyone else.
How's that? Clearer?
Ok, :carryon:
popsthebuilder
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These verses indeed seem to support that Jesus gave the Spirit to the disciples while He was alive physically.
marhig
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Can I ask why you believe Gods spirit wasn't in anyone, when scripture tells us that he was?
Also the scripture you quoted regarding Holy Spirit not yet given because Jesus was not yet glorified. Don't you think the apostles glorified him when they went preaching in Matthew 10?
popsthebuilder
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It seems quite plausible from scripture that any who believed Jesus upon His words at that time would have received the Spirit.
Do you believe scripture contradicts itself?
"for the Holy Spirit was not yet given because Jesus was not yet glorified." (John 7:39)
popsthebuilder
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Do you consider the word glorified to be synonymous with crucified, which was not a seen as a noble death?
And no, I do not.
We have a description of a glorified person.
"His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength." (Revelation 1:16)
Those who say Jesus is not God have never held seven angels in their right hand.
popsthebuilder
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How is your post relevant to the subject at hand?
I thought you had originally stated that none but Jesus and John had the Holy Spirit until the death of Jesus?
Now, I really don't know what it is you are trying to say.
In post 34 I said, "God's Spirit was not available to anyone while Jesus was human."
That's from John 7:39.
If you believe what John said that's fine, if you don't that's fine also.
Believe what you will.
In post 96 someone asked, "Do you consider the word glorified to be synonymous with crucified, which was not a seen as a noble death?"
My response was that we have a description of a glorified person.
popsthebuilder
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I agree, we do; but was He not glorified to the disciples as He walked the earth?