Amen Pate.
Is the doctrine of predestination in conflict with the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
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Amen Pate.
Calvinists deny man's ability to have "Free-will choice." That's why they're
so confused. Free-will is seen throughout the entire Bible. However, the
Calvinist has been indoctrinated to not see it. They are following a "belief
system" created by John Calvin and his ilk.
so confused. Free-will is seen throughout the entire Bible. However, the
Calvinist has been indoctrinated to not see it. They are following a "belief
system" created by John Calvin and his ilk.
Christ lamented--Matthew 23:37 "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones
those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a
hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling."
They were unwilling, because they, chose to be unwilling, which helps to
prove free-will choice.
those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a
hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling."
They were unwilling, because they, chose to be unwilling, which helps to
prove free-will choice.
The Hebrews could have chosen to follow their God, but chose not to.
HisServant
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The Holy Spirit could not in indwell a corrupt vessel back then... Since Jesus' resurrection that is now possible.
Hyper-Calvinists believe that God creates all the sin in the world. Ask
poster B57?
poster B57?
Than, why did Christ lament their choice not to follow their God if,
like you say, "they were unable?" Try and be logical when
answering this question? Observers aren't dumb.
The Holy Spirit didn't indwell believers until Paul's Gospel became the "Only
Gospel." Yet, we see Christ's lamenting about His people Israel. Obviously,
He wouldn't be lamenting their choice, if they didn't have one to begin with?
Gospel." Yet, we see Christ's lamenting about His people Israel. Obviously,
He wouldn't be lamenting their choice, if they didn't have one to begin with?
HisServant
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I'm totally being logical.... your question isn't.
The Old Testament shows that the Hebrews, at times, went away from
God and clung to idols. That was their choice, wasn't it? God disciplined
them at some point, did He not?
God and clung to idols. That was their choice, wasn't it? God disciplined
them at some point, did He not?
Which question?
Calvinists believe that man is so vile and depraved that if God didn't
intervene and choose a few "Elect" before the foundation of the world,
no one would place their faith in Christ. They make it look as if, man is
merely a "Puppet/robot." They believe God chose a number of people
to save and the rest He chose for eternal damnation.
intervene and choose a few "Elect" before the foundation of the world,
no one would place their faith in Christ. They make it look as if, man is
merely a "Puppet/robot." They believe God chose a number of people
to save and the rest He chose for eternal damnation.
They preach false doctrine that is contrary to the word of God. They
must change the character and intent of God in order to make their
"belief system" palatable to naive people who listen to their false
Gospel.
must change the character and intent of God in order to make their
"belief system" palatable to naive people who listen to their false
Gospel.
Ask them how they KNOW they're one of the elect? Most likely
you'll hear crickets.
you'll hear crickets.
They rely on a few verses of Scripture that they misinterpret to
match their preconceived belief system.
match their preconceived belief system.
If they were to be honest, if you ask them how to become a Christian, they'll
HAVE to say, "It depends if you were of the chosen elect from before the
foundation of the world." Because, they believe you cannot be saved otherwise.
HAVE to say, "It depends if you were of the chosen elect from before the
foundation of the world." Because, they believe you cannot be saved otherwise.
nikolai_42
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Read the verse again. Who did Jesus want to gather? Who was unwilling?
Are Calvinists Christians? If they have earnestly placed their faith
in Christ as their Savior, I would have to say; Yes. Unless one hears
the Gospel and places their faith in Christ as their Savior, they cannot
be saved. So, the only way possible a Calvinist becomes saved is
through hearing the Gospel and placing their faith in Christ. They're
just confused by how one becomes a child of God. They believe that
God chose them however, in fact, they were saved the same way
everybody else is: by faith in their Savior Jesus Christ.
in Christ as their Savior, I would have to say; Yes. Unless one hears
the Gospel and places their faith in Christ as their Savior, they cannot
be saved. So, the only way possible a Calvinist becomes saved is
through hearing the Gospel and placing their faith in Christ. They're
just confused by how one becomes a child of God. They believe that
God chose them however, in fact, they were saved the same way
everybody else is: by faith in their Savior Jesus Christ.
nikolai_42
Well-known member
I always find it interesting that in your testimony (original - on your site) you stated that you couldn't resist. Yet on the boards you say that you could have resisted if you so chose.
nikolai_42
Well-known member
Then you must at least agree that God elected (some of) Israel to salvation. So does He elect some and not others?