Is the age of the Earth connected to Jesus' second coming?

[marhig]

Making things up for people to believe is not convincing either.

The bible says "six days." Until you provide compelling evidence that it cannot mean what it plainly says, we are utterly justified in rejecting your notion that it could mean billions of years.

As I said, the day of the Lord isn't a 24 hour period.

Whether a day is 24 hours or thousands of years it's all in Gods time.

As Peter said, a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day in the Lord. What more evidence do you need than scriptural proof, from a strong apostle of God who walked with Jesus?

Peter didn't say a day was a thousand years, he said like a thousand years. In other words Gods time is different to our time. God created time and he can do anything.

 

[marhig]

Showing that God can do something is not evidence that He can do anything.

Where did you get your logic training?

If God created everything then he can do anything. What makes you think that he can't?

 

[Stripe]

As I said, the day of the Lord isn't a 24 hour period.

And yet the Bible says "six days."

Wake us up when you're ready to face reality.

Whether a day is 24 hours or thousands of years it's all in Gods time.

Making things up isn't convincing.

As Peter said, a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day in the Lord.

Which has a specific, metaphorical meaning that is clearly outlined in the rest of the passage. There is no confusion over what Peter meant. He meant: God is patient.

There is simply no reason to take a metaphor and insist you have reason to believe that "six days" cannot mean what it plainly says.

What more evidence do you need than scriptural proof, from a strong apostle of God who walked with Jesus?

Actual evidence, rather than your say-so. :up:

Peter didn't say a day was a thousand years, he said like a thousand years. In other words Gods time is different to our time. God created time and he can do anything.

Nope. In other words: God is patient. It's right there in the text. did you read it?

If God created everything then he can do anything.

Logic is not your strong suit, is it?

This is known as a non sequitur. There is no necessary logical connection between having created everything and being able to do anything.

What makes you think that he can't?

Because you include logical absurdities like "creating time" in "anything."

 

[6days]

Could mean anything?

I said that God can do anything! A day to God isn't always the same as a day to us.

You use silly arguments trying to insert secular opinions into scripture. Do you reaĺly think that when God mentions a measurement of time in scripture (like 7 days...40 years...3 days, etc) that it can mean anything?
God is logical... your argument isn't.

 

[6days]

So do you believe that the day of the Lord is a 24 hour period?

No... Context tells us that is not a 24 hour day. Context and Hebrew grammar demand that the creation days are what we refer to as 24 hour periods of time.

 

[marhig]

And yet the Bible says "six days."

Wake us up when you're ready to face reality.

Making things up isn't convincing.

Which has a specific, metaphorical meaning that is clearly outlined in the rest of the passage. There is no confusion over what Peter meant. He meant: God is patient.

There is simply no reason to take a metaphor and insist you have reason to believe that "six days" cannot mean what it plainly says.

Actual evidence, rather than your say-so. :up:


Nope. In other words: God is patient. It's right there in the text. did you read it?

Logic is not your strong suit, is it?

This is known as a non sequitur. There is no necessary logical connection between having created everything and being able to do anything.

Because you include logical absurdities like "creating time" in "anything."

So you and 6 days are seeing all of the creation accounts as literal yes?

So what does the tree of knowledge of good and evil look like?.

 

[S-word]

You use silly arguments trying to insert secular opinions into scripture. Do you reaĺly think that when God mentions a measurement of time in scripture (like 7 days...40 years...3 days, etc) that it can mean anything?
God is logical... your argument isn't.

Genesis 2: 16-17; And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.

So, according to your logical god, Adam died within 24 hours of eating the forbidden fruit, before he was cast out of paradise and before he had sired any children and at the age of 930. Which means, according to you, that he ate of the forbidden fruit when he was 929 and 364 days old. Am I correct?

 

[6days]

Am I correct?

Nope.... Rember to use context, and grammar. YOM and DAY have a variety meanings...always understood by context. I don't think you want to understand that the creation days are 24 hour periods of time since it contradicts your belief system.

Here is a start for you though...if you are interested.
In Hebrew, when a number is associated with the word YOM, it refers to 24 hour periods of time. (ex. if someone says 10 days). When a word like morning or evening appears with the word day (yom) it always refers to a normal 24 hour day. (ex. on the morning of the 7th day).

Every Hebrew scholar, from every major university in the world will tell you, if you are willing to learn, that the context of the word YOM in Genesis 1 is what we call 24 hour days. The Hebrew grammar demands it. In fact....the author of Genesis 1 took extra precautions defining what a day is, then repeating phrases for the hard of learning. ' there was evening and morning one day, there was evening and morning a second day' etc.


James Barr Oxford Hebrew scholar 'probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1–11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas the*creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience'

 

[6days]

So you and 6 days are seeing all of the creation accounts as literal yes?

Jesus believed it. He referred to humanity from the foundations of the world...and from 'the beginning'.*

So what does the tree of knowledge of good and evil look like?.

The Bible doesn't tell us what it looked like.

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

Earth time did not start on day one. Time is measured in heaven with a longer yardstick friend. God's first creation was not time, it was his son with whom he created all through.

Agree that the world was perfect, notice I said was.


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The term 'day' is a measurement of time, time began at the beginning of the first day and Jesus was begotten of the Farther rather that created, which is slightly different. Though I agree they created all things and that the world was perfect.

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

"A mind is a terrible thing to waste."

Because you say so?

Which is like saying the parable of the sower is a lesson on agriculture.

Darwinists love the passage from Peter. However, they've never read the chapter.

2 Peter 3:3-8
God’s Promise Is Not Slack
Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation."

For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgement and perdition of ungodly men.
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.​

That just means "God is patient." It doesn't mean that the six days of creation could have been 6,000 years. :chuckle:

No. When the Bible mentions days in other situations, do they mean 24-hour days?

Inventing meanings isn't very convincing.

Unfortunately for your story, it does not say that God created the beginning.


No, He can't.

What was before that? :idunno:

Before God created time there was no time. It's a hard concept for some to consider or even understand. And God can do anything just as He said He could do:

Matthew 19:26
Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

So what does the tree of knowledge of good and evil look like?.

It was magnificent and pleasing to the eyes.

Logically by contrast the tree of life must have been lowly and not very enticing or Adam would have eaten from it sooner.

 

[marhig]

It was magnificent and pleasing to the eyes.

Logically by contrast the tree of life must have been lowly and not very enticing or Adam would have eaten from it sooner.

What I mean is, if it was a literal tree, what did it look like? You can see the the tree of knowledge of good and evil isn't a natural tree. Neither is the tree of Life!

 

[Stripe]

So you and 6 days are seeing all of the creation accounts as literal yes?

No. Genesis is an account of history.

Before God created time there was no time.

So what was there before that?

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

No. Genesis is an account of history.



So what was there before that?

Before creation (and time) God existed outside of time. He just existed. However, just before creation began Jesus was begotten of the Father and the Holy-Spirit, which happened just after God became God the Father and the Holy Spirit. The three of then had only existed in 'concept' but just before creation the three of them 'manifested' into what we now know them as.

 

[Stripe]

Before creation (and time) God existed outside of time. He just existed. However, just before creation began Jesus was begotten of the Father and the Holy-Spirit, which happened just after God became God the Father and the Holy Spirit. The three of then had only existed in 'concept' but just before creation the three of them 'manifested' into what we now know them as.

OK. So you think that in the time before time there was no time, but God was doing stuff anyway.

Have you got any evidence for this weird idea, or did you just make it up?

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[S-word]

Nope.... Rember to use context, and grammar. YOM and DAY have a variety meanings...always understood by context. I don't think you want to understand that the creation days are 24 hour periods of time since it contradicts your belief system.

Here is a start for you though...if you are interested.
In Hebrew, when a number is associated with the word YOM, it refers to 24 hour periods of time. (ex. if someone says 10 days). When a word like morning or evening appears with the word day (yom) it always refers to a normal 24 hour day. (ex. on the morning of the 7th day).

Every Hebrew scholar, from every major university in the world will tell you, if you are willing to learn, that the context of the word YOM in Genesis 1 is what we call 24 hour days. The Hebrew grammar demands it. In fact....the author of Genesis 1 took extra precautions defining what a day is, then repeating phrases for the hard of learning. ' there was evening and morning one day, there was evening and morning a second day' etc.


James Barr Oxford Hebrew scholar 'probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1–11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas the*creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience'

In reference to the 6 days of creation and the 7th day of rest, it is said in Genesis 2: 4; "These are the generations of the universe."

The English word 'GENERATION' is translated from the Hebrew "TOLEDOTH' meaning descendants, such as, 'Theses are the generations of Adam, and these are the generations of Noah or these are the generations of Abraham, and in Genesis 2: 4; these are the generations (Plural) of the universe in the day (YOM) that God created the Heavens and the earth.

So according to you, God created seven generations of the universe, each universal body being created in 24 hours, and all seven generations of 24 hours, your god created them in one 24 hour day/(YOM).

Forgive me if I laugh.

Genesis 2:4; King James Version (KJV) These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the (24 hour YOM) DAY that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens=universe.

But God is calling all creation back to himself, after which, he will create for us a new heavens and a new earth.

 

[6days]

So according to you, God created seven generations of the universe, each universal body being created in 24 hours, and all seven generations of 24 hours, your created them in one 24 hour day/(YOM).

You either can't read very good...or think very good...perhaps you have both problems. *Please read slowly

I will repeat...Rember to use context, and grammar. YOM and DAY have a variety meanings...always understood by context. I don't think you want to understand that the creation days are 24 hour periods of time since it contradicts your belief system.


Here is a start for you though...if you are interested.
In Hebrew, when a number is associated with the word YOM, it refers to 24 hour periods of time. (ex. if someone says 10 days). When a word like morning or evening appears with the word day (yom) it always refers to a normal 24 hour day. (ex. on the morning of the 7th day).

Every Hebrew scholar, from every major university in the world will tell you, if you are willing to learn, that the context of the word YOM in Genesis 1*is what we call 24 hour days. The Hebrew grammar demands it. In fact....the author of Genesis 1*took extra precautions defining what a day is, then repeating phrases for the hard of learning. ' there was evening and morning one day, there was evening and morning a second day' etc.


James Barr Oxford Hebrew scholar 'probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1–11intended to convey to their readers the ideas the*creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience'

 

[S-word]

You either can't read very good...or think very good...perhaps you have both problems. *Please read slowly

I will repeat...Rember to use context, and grammar. YOM and DAY have a variety meanings...always understood by context. I don't think you want to understand that the creation days are 24 hour periods of time since it contradicts your belief system.


Here is a start for you though...if you are interested.
In Hebrew, when a number is associated with the word YOM, it refers to 24 hour periods of time. (ex. if someone says 10 days). When a word like morning or evening appears with the word day (yom) it always refers to a normal 24 hour day. (ex. on the morning of the 7th day).

Every Hebrew scholar, from every major university in the world will tell you, if you are willing to learn, that the context of the word YOM in Genesis 1*is what we call 24 hour days. The Hebrew grammar demands it. In fact....the author of Genesis 1*took extra precautions defining what a day is, then repeating phrases for the hard of learning. ' there was evening and morning one day, there was evening and morning a second day' etc.


James Barr Oxford Hebrew scholar 'probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1–11intended to convey to their readers the ideas the*creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience'

What unadulterated rubbish.

•Augustine, writing in the early fifth century, noted, ”What kind of days these were it is extremely difficult, or perhaps impossible, to determine” (City of God 11.7).

•J. Gresham Machen (1881-1937), author of the 20th century’s best critique of theological liberalism, wrote, “It is certainly not necessary to think that the six days spoken of in that first chapter of the Bible are intended to be six days of twenty four hours each.”

•Old Testament scholar Edward J. Young (1907-1968), an eloquent defender of inerrancy, said that regarding the length of the creation days, “That is a question which is difficult to answer. Indications are not lacking that they may have been longer than the days we now know, but the Scripture itself does not speak as clearly as one might like.”

•Theologian Carl F. H. Henry (1913-2003), one of the most important theologians in the second half of the twentieth century and a defender of Scriptural clarity and authority, argued that “Faith in an inerrant Bible does not rest on the recency or antiquity of the earth. . . . The Bible does not require belief in six literal 24-hour creation days on the basis of Genesis 1-2. . . . it is gratuitous to insist that twenty-four hour days are involved or intended.”

•Old Testament scholar and Hebrew linguist Gleason Archer (1916-2004), a strong advocate for inerrancy, wrote ”On the basis of internal evidence, it is this writer’s conviction that yôm in Genesis could not have been intended by the Hebrew author to mean a literal twenty-four hour day.”

But you are entitled to hold any erroneous belief that you wish to, this is your god given right.

 

[Stripe]

What unadulterated rubbish.

•Augustine, writing in the early fifth century, noted, ”What kind of days these were it is extremely difficult, or perhaps impossible, to determine” (City of God 11.7).

•J. Gresham Machen (1881-1937), author of the 20th century’s best critique of theological liberalism, wrote, “It is certainly not necessary to think that the six days spoken of in that first chapter of the Bible are intended to be six days of twenty four hours each.”

•Old Testament scholar Edward J. Young (1907-1968), an eloquent defender of inerrancy, said that regarding the length of the creation days, “That is a question which is difficult to answer. Indications are not lacking that they may have been longer than the days we now know, but the Scripture itself does not speak as clearly as one might like.”

•Theologian Carl F. H. Henry (1913-2003), one of the most important theologians in the second half of the twentieth century and a defender of Scriptural clarity and authority, argued that “Faith in an inerrant Bible does not rest on the recency or antiquity of the earth. . . . The Bible does not require belief in six literal 24-hour creation days on the basis of Genesis 1-2. . . . it is gratuitous to insist that twenty-four hour days are involved or intended.”

•Old Testament scholar and Hebrew linguist Gleason Archer (1916-2004), a strong advocate for inerrancy, wrote ”On the basis of internal evidence, it is this writer’s conviction that yôm in Genesis could not have been intended by the Hebrew author to mean a literal twenty-four hour day.”

But you are entitled to hold any erroneous belief that you wish to, this is your god given right.

Darwinists love an argument over how many people they can find to support their ideas.

What they will not do is tell us why "six days" cannot mean what it plainly says.