Is the age of the Earth connected to Jesus' second coming?

[S-word]

Unfortunately, you don't. You are trying to add secular opinions about deep time... and billions of years of death into God's creation week. *Your addition of death before sin destroys the gospel and the purpose of Christ at the cross. We know from scripture...death enteted the worls through the sin of one man. God tells us He created everything in six days...and rested (past tense) on the seventh day.*


See Gen. 2:3 The english word 'rested' is *is from the Hebrew word 'shabat', meaning finished. God finished his creation week with a day of rest... a model for us as explained in Ex. 20:11


Believers can enter God's rest; See Hebrews 4. This does not mean we get an eternal weekend as believers. *Heb. 4 obviously *does not mean that the 7th day still continues...in which case everyone would still be living in the 7th day. It is parallism... we can enter into God's rest.*




From Hebrew grammar.... from exegetical study of scripture (context), *from the definition God provides in Genesis 1....from the words of Jesus and various Bible authors...the creation days are what we refer to as 24 hour days.*

Then you continue in your erroneous exegetical belief that the entire cosmos was created in 144 literal hours. Obviously no science study was allowed in your school of indoctrination.

Perhaps you might like to believe the following rubbish by one of your exegetist mates concerning Bilhah, Reuben and others.

[It is no longer disputed that in this and in every other genealogical account, tribal and not personal relations are designated. Marriage symbolizes in these early traditions the fusion of two tribes originally distinct. The husband represented the stronger tribe and gave his name to both; and the wife represented the weaker which merged in the stronger. If the weaker tribe was greatly the inferior of the stronger in authority and power, it was represented as a concubine (compare Stade, "Gesch. des Volkes Israel," 2d ed., i. 30). Consequently Bilhah (like Hagar, Keturah, and others) is to be regarded as the name of a tribe; even though there are no further indications of the fact, and the meaning of the name has not been determined. There is no proof of the accuracy of Ball's conjecture ("S. B. O. T." on Gen. xxx. 3) that "Bilhah" is connected with the Arabic "baliha" (simple, artless, easily misled).

Since Dan and Naphtali appear as the sons of the handmaid of Rachel, the mother of the tribe of Joseph, they are thus characterized as tribes of the second rank subordinate to Joseph. This is confirmed by such historic evidence concerning the tribes as has been preserved. It has not been determined whether Naphtali was always joined to Dan or was added at the period when the latter was driven from its settlement and forced to move to the north. It is possible that at first Dan was only a clan of the tribe of Joseph, like Benjamin, unsuccessfully trying to establish itself outside the original tribe; and it is not improbable that the portion of Dan which settled in the north came into intimate relations with the adjacent tribe of Naphtali. Such circumstances as these are reflected in the genealogical accounts.

According to Gen. xxxv. 22a, Reuben committed adultery with Bilhah; and according to Gen. xlix. 4, his downfall was due to his defiling his father's couch. The meaning of this story is doubtful. Dillmann, in his commentary on the passage, and Stade, ib. i. 151, think that reproach is attached to Reuben for adhering to the old custom by which the son inherits his father's concubines, at a time when the other Israelitish tribes had adopted different customs. A point against this assumption is that there are proofs of the existence of the custom in the land west of the Jordan as late as the time of the kings (compare II Sam. xvi. 21; I Kings ii. 13-25). The following explanation, suggested by Holzinger in his commentary on Gen. xxxv. 22, seems more likely: Reuben's position as first-born designates his greater power, which, however, was soon lost in one way or another. In the time of his strength he had tried to extend his power westward through the tribes descended from Bilhah; and later generations regarded this as a sin against Jacob. An analogy to this interpretation is to be found in the disapproval expressed in Gen. xxxiv. 30 of the treacherous attack on Shechem made by Simeon and Levi.]

What a load of unadulterated Exegesis crap.

 

[6days]

Earth time did not start on day one. Time is measured in heaven with a longer yardstick friend. God's first creation was not time, it was his son with whom he created all through.

Agree that the world was perfect, notice I said was.


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Yes....time itself started with "the beginning". If you are interested, study cardinal and ordinal numbers in Hebrew. Time did not exist before the first day.

 

[S-word]

Yes....time itself started with "the beginning". If you are interested, study cardinal and ordinal numbers in Hebrew. Time did not exist before the first day.

Correct! Three dimensional Space and time only came into existence with the event that is called The Big Bang, which spatially separated the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity, which was the beginning of the creation of this universe. Of which it is said, that God is calling all creation back to himself, before creating for us a new Heavens and a new earth=universe.

 

[6days]

Then you continue in your erroneous exegetical belief that the entire cosmos was created in 144 literal hours.

Noted... Your beliefs about scripture are foundational on secular beliefs about deep time.*

My beliefs about about a young universe are foundational on the gospel, and scripture.*

*Obviously no science study was allowed in your school of indoctrination.

I think you are confusing science with your beliefs. We both have the same scientific method and the same evidence....the same distant starlight, the same mutation rates, the same comets, the same C14 tests, *the same soft dinosaur tissue, the same DNA studies etc. We have different beliefs about the past.*

Perhaps you might like to believe the following rubbish by one of your exegetist mates concerning Bilhah, Reuben and others.

Hmmm.... What's for dinner.... red herring?

 

[6days]

*Three dimensional Space and time only came into existence with the event that is called The Big Bang

For in six days God created the heavens and the earth and everything in them. Ex. 20:11 Space and time were created by God. The creation account shows us that the Big Bang belief is false as it contradicts God's eye witness testimony.*

 

[S-word]

For in six days God created the heavens and the earth and everything in them. Ex. 20:11 Space and time were created by God. The creation account shows us that the Big Bang belief is false as it contradicts God's eye witness testimony.*

According to the ancient cultures, we live in an eternal oscillating universe that expands outward and contracts back to its beginning in space time, which is the BEGINNING of this three dimensional universe, taking with it all the information gathered in each cycle of its physical manifestation, a living universal being who is all that exists, and in who, all that is, exists. A living universal being who exists in the two states of visible matter and invisible energy.*

An eternal being who began as energy which cannot be created or destroyed, but can and is converted into matter only to be reconverted into energy.

“Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.*

The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara, or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity. ‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the “GENERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE.”*

The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc. And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.*

A series of worlds following one upon the other,-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it.

This is the true resurrection in which all from the previous cycle of universal activity, who still have the judgmental war raging within them, are born again into the cycles of physical manifestation........The eternal cycles of rebirths.

For God is calling all creation back to himself, after which, he shall create for us a new heavens and a new earth= a new universe.

 

[Stripe]

SARCASIM.

"A mind is a terrible thing to waste."

Stripe time to God isn't the same as our time.

Because you say so?

As it says in the Bible, a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day in the Lord.

Which is like saying the parable of the sower is a lesson on agriculture.

Darwinists love the passage from Peter. However, they've never read the chapter.

2 Peter 3:3-8
God’s Promise Is Not Slack
Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation."

For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgement and perdition of ungodly men.
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.​

That just means "God is patient." It doesn't mean that the six days of creation could have been 6,000 years. :chuckle:

When Jesus said that Abraham rejoiced to see his day, go you think that he meant a literal 24 hour day?

No. When the Bible mentions days in other situations, do they mean 24-hour days?

One of the very first things God created was time itself:

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Inventing meanings isn't very convincing.

The word 'beginning' means that before this moment time did not exist but at this moment there was a beginning to all things that God was creating.

Unfortunately for your story, it does not say that God created the beginning.

God can do anything.

No, He can't.

Time itself started with "the beginning."

What was before that? :idunno:

 

[marhig]

"A mind is a terrible thing to waste."

Because you say so?

Which is like saying the parable of the sower is a lesson on agriculture.

Darwinists love the passage from Peter. However, they've never read the chapter.

2 Peter 3:3-8
God’s Promise Is Not Slack
Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation."

For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgement and perdition of ungodly men.
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.​

That just means "God is patient." It doesn't mean that the six days of creation could have been 6,000 years. :chuckle:

No. When the Bible mentions days in other situations, do they mean 24-hour days?

Inventing meanings isn't very convincing.

Unfortunately for your story, it does not say that God created the beginning.


No, He can't.

What was before that? :idunno:

It doesn't mean that creation could have been 6000 years or one day, it means that God can do anything and that his time isn't our time. He can do it all in one day or in a million years of he wishes too. My point is that a day in God isn't always how we see a day, as in a 24 hour period.

 

[Stripe]

It doesn't mean that creation could have been 6000 years or one day, it means that God can do anything and that his time isn't our time. He can do it all in one day or in a million years of he wishes too. My point is that a day in God isn't always how we see a day, as in a 24 hour period.

So you think the words He wrote could mean anything?

They say "six days."

It's going to take a better argument than "that could mean anything" to convince me that it doesn't mean what it plainly says.

 

[marhig]

So you think the words He wrote could mean anything?

They say "six days."

It's going to take a better argument than "that could mean anything" to convince me that it doesn't mean what it plainly says.

Could mean anything?

I said that God can do anything! A day to God isn't always the same as a day to us.

 

[Stripe]

Could mean anything?

Yep. The bible says "six days."

You think that could mean billions of years.

 

[marhig]

Yep. The bible says "six days."

You think that could mean billions of years.

As the Bible clearly shows, a day isn't always a 24 hour period.

For example in the day of the Lord doesn't mean a 24 hour period.

 

[Stripe]

As the Bible clearly shows, a day isn't always a 24 hour period. For example in the day of the Lord doesn't mean a 24 hour period.

This is a stupid argument.

The Bible says "six days," but it doesn't do it in a context-less void. It says "six days" and it means exactly that.

Unless you've got an argument more convincing than "words have multiple meanings without context," we're just going to have to stick with the plain meaning.

 

[S-word]

It doesn't mean that creation could have been 6000 years or one day, it means that God can do anything and that his time isn't our time. He can do it all in one day or in a million years of he wishes too. My point is that a day in God isn't always how we see a day, as in a 24 hour period.

God can do anything, you say? Can God create a rock that cannot be lifted? If so, can God lift the rock that he created which could never be lifted? if he can, then he was unable to create a rock that could not be lifted. If he cannot then he cannot do anything, because he was unable to lift the rock.

 

[marhig]

This is a stupid argument.

The Bible says "six days," but it doesn't do it in a context-less void. It says "six days" and it means exactly that.

Unless you've got an argument more convincing than "words have multiple meanings without context," we're just going to have to stick with the plain meaning.

So do you believe that the day of the Lord is a 24 hour period?

 

[marhig]

God can do anything, you say? Can God create a rock that cannot be lifted? If so, can God lift the rock that he created which could never be lifted? if he can, then he was unable to create a rock that could not be lifted. If he cannot then he cannot do anything, because he was unable to lift the rock.

Matthew 3:9

And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

God can do anything!

 

[S-word]

So do you believe that the day of the Lord is a 24 hour period?

On which planet?

The Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And he (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason he 31 did not complete the years of this first day; for he died during it.

So which day are you referring to?

 

[marhig]

On which planet?

The Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And he (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason he 31 did not complete the years of this first day; for he died during it.

So which day are you referring to?

What's the book of jubilees?

 

[Stripe]

So do you believe that the day of the Lord is a 24 hour period?

Making things up for people to believe is not convincing either.

The bible says "six days." Until you provide compelling evidence that it cannot mean what it plainly says, we are utterly justified in rejecting your notion that it could mean billions of years.

 

[Stripe]

Matthew 3:9

And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

God can do anything!

Showing that God can do something is not evidence that He can do anything.

Where did you get your logic training?