Is calling Beanieboy a . . .

[anna]

I voted no, because I think that Beanie boy has had fair warning about the consequences of his sin. It is fruitless to beat a dead horse and only proves that most people have nothing better to say or do then call him a faggot. I think that time could be better spent examining our own sinful behavior at this time. This, of course, doesn't mean that we should never confront a person or use name calling as a way to call the person's attention to sin. There is a time for that just as there is a time for everything else.

 

[Ecumenicist]

Nice sentiment, Anna, but too late. Folks around here find gay Buddhist people
threatening, so he was banned. Responsibility for obeying the great commission
and saving souls here ranks below being comfortable with a self justified narrow
abusive mindset.

 

[anna]

Nice sentiment, Anna, but too late. Folks around here find gay Buddhist people
threatening, so he was banned. Responsibility for obeying the great commission
and saving souls here ranks below being comfortable with a self justified narrow
abusive mindset.

It doesn't supprise me, but who knows maybe some of them will change their attitude. You never know. I just hope Beanie knows that God really does care about him even if some of his representatives have the mindset of a two year old. :kookoo:

 

[Ecumenicist]

It doesn't supprise me, but who knows maybe some of them will change their attitude. You never know. I just hope Beanie knows that God really does care about him even if some of his representatives have the mindset of a two year old. :kookoo:

Two year olds who "will be tried as adults." Lots of opportunities to evangelize the
so called evangelizers here, that's why I stick around

Dave

 

[anna]

Two year olds who "will be tried as adults." Lots of opportunities to evangelize the
so called evangelizers here, that's why I stick around

Dave

Yeah ..you never know who the real christians are and some of the real christians may be challenged to read more and be encouraged to know that the stuggles they have are common. I like to have many sounding boards which is why I come and sometimes I get ideas for what books to read besides the bible. :thumb:

 

[Frank Ernest]

This thread certainly turned hilarious. :darwinsm:

 

[Ecumenicist]

This thread certainly turned hilarious. :darwinsm:

Exactly...

Thanx for making the point very clear.

 

[Lighthouse]

anna-
Do you believe homosexuality to be a sin, no matter what?

 

[anna]

anna-
Do you believe homosexuality to be a sin, no matter what?

Yes, I do believe homosexuality is a sin no matter what ...so is lusting after a woman who is not your wife ...both have devestating consequences on the individuals involved and society as a whole.

When I first read your post, I was a bit confused and then I went to another thread and saw why you would ask that question.

 

[Lighthouse]

Okay. I was just checking. Dave Miller doesn't think it is.

 

[anna]

Okay. I was just checking. Dave Miller doesn't think it is.

I am glad that you checked because then I wouldn't have found that ambiguous post.

Hmm..I'll go read more of Dave's posts. Sometimes we can come across a certain way, but then again I can remember finding out that a poster who was a pastor was not only really soft on homosexual sin but other sexual sins as well. Those who sympathize or make excuses for heterosexual sin tend to be very soft on homos. but then of course there are alot of men who look at porn who can scream faggot real easy, so it can go both ways.

 

[Emo]

Yes, I do believe homosexuality is a sin no matter what ...so is lusting after a woman who is not your wife

Yep, they are both sins, no doubt, but homosexuality destroys the very fabric of society and God considers it an abomination. Having lustful thoughts for a woman is not healthy, but it is not the same thing as actually carrying out those thoughts in the physical sense. If you want to tighten up this big gap, try the comparison of the sin of homosexuality with the likes of adultery, now, when you said, "both have devestating consequences on the individuals involved and society as a whole", your statement could then actually hold some water.

 

[anna]

Yep, they are both sins, no doubt, but homosexuality destroys the very fabric of society and God considers it an abomination. Having lustful thoughts for a woman is not healthy, but it is not the same thing as actually carrying out those thoughts in the physical sense. If you want to tighten up this big gap, try the comparison of the sin of homosexuality with the likes of adultery, now, when you said, "both have devestating consequences on the individuals involved and society as a whole", your statement could then actually hold some water.

I think it holds enough water, because a mans thoughts influence the decisions he makes. The wife of a man who stuggles with sexual purity is very vunerable. The husband is preoccupied with his sin so he is less capable of protecting and providing for his family. When we sin, wheter it stops with our thoughts or not, there is a ripple effect, so even if the man never actually commits adultry, his thoughts are divided and the ripple begins to effect the people around him.

 

[Ecumenicist]

Okay. I was just checking. Dave Miller doesn't think it is.

Actually, LH, I partially credit you for helping me to understand the real hurt that is
experienced by individuals and families who discover that homosexual tendencies
are a part of their lives.

On a practical level, sin can be recognized by the hurt caused to self and / or others;
failure to recognize the hurt experienced through homosexuality is, indeed, to
deny sin.

However, as I've stated many times, I believe that the far more serious
sin, i.e. that which causes more harm to people and families, in this world is promiscuity,
homo and hetero.

I also recognize that the so called "homo lifestyle" can be particularly promiscuous in
nature.

I'm not soft on sexual sin by any means, I think that hetero fornication is sinful as well,
again, because people get hurt, individuals, children, families.

Dave

 

[anna]

Actually, LH, I partially credit you for helping me to understand the real hurt that is
experienced by individuals and families who discover that homosexual tendencies
are a part of their lives.

On a practical level, sin can be recognized by the hurt caused to self and / or others;
failure to recognize the hurt experienced through homosexuality is, indeed, to
deny sin.

However, as I've stated many times, I believe that the far more serious
sin, i.e. that which causes more harm to people and families, in this world is promiscuity,
homo and hetero.

I also recognize that the so called "homo lifestyle" can be particularly promiscuous in
nature.

I'm not soft on sexual sin by any means, I think that hetero fornication is sinful as well,
again, because people get hurt, individuals, children, families.

Dave

I appreciate the clarification. I have not read many of your posts but it seemed to me that you were not really soft on sexual sin, just a little more realistic in how you deal with homosexuals. I think alot of people have this good guy/bad guy mentality. They don't see a person who is in the process of changing his thinking, and in an attempt to be consistent and sincere with their beliefs they tend harp on the issue instead of being more sensitive to the Holy Spirit. I sometimes find myself having this mentality.

A friend of mine in college openly admited that he was gay. I knew that alot of people gave him the repent or burn speech so I basically encouraged him to be honest about where he was in his thinking and tried to help him reconstruct his thinking when he sent me articles he wrote about his personal stuggles.

I think the first step in any kind of growth is being honest eventhough the person will go thru the stages where he trys to justify his sin. If he is honest then he will eventually see that his sin is destructive and learn why God forbids it. Of course there is a point when you part from that person untill they have truely repented. The Bible does tells us not to associate with Christians who practice certain sins, but if that person truely repents then it is good that you welcome him back into the fold.

 

[Agape4Robin]

I am glad that you checked because then I wouldn't have found that ambiguous post.

Hmm..I'll go read more of Dave's posts. Sometimes we can come across a certain way, but then again I can remember finding out that a poster who was a pastor was not only really soft on homosexual sin but other sexual sins as well. Those who sympathize or make excuses for heterosexual sin tend to be very soft on homos. but then of course there are alot of men who look at porn who can scream faggot real easy, so it can go both ways.

:chuckle:

 

[Agape4Robin]

Actually, LH, I partially credit you for helping me to understand the real hurt that is
experienced by individuals and families who discover that homosexual tendencies
are a part of their lives.

On a practical level, sin can be recognized by the hurt caused to self and / or others;
failure to recognize the hurt experienced through homosexuality is, indeed, to
deny sin.

However, as I've stated many times, I believe that the far more serious
sin, i.e. that which causes more harm to people and families, in this world is promiscuity,
homo and hetero.

I also recognize that the so called "homo lifestyle" can be particularly promiscuous in
nature.

I'm not soft on sexual sin by any means, I think that hetero fornication is sinful as well,
again, because people get hurt, individuals, children, families.

Dave

:BRAVO:

 

[Ecumenicist]

I appreciate the clarification. I have not read many of your posts but it seemed to me that you were not really soft on sexual sin, just a little more realistic in how you deal with homosexuals. I think alot of people have this good guy/bad guy mentality. They don't see a person who is in the process of changing his thinking, and in an attempt to be consistent and sincere with their beliefs they tend harp on the issue instead of being more sensitive to the Holy Spirit. I sometimes find myself having this mentality.

A friend of mine in college openly admited that he was gay. I knew that alot of people gave him the repent or burn speech so I basically encouraged him to be honest about where he was in his thinking and tried to help him reconstruct his thinking when he sent me articles he wrote about his personal stuggles.

I think the first step in any kind of growth is being honest eventhough the person will go thru the stages where he trys to justify his sin. If he is honest then he will eventually see that his sin is destructive and learn why God forbids it. Of course there is a point when you part from that person untill they have truely repented. The Bible does tells us not to associate with Christians who practice certain sins, but if that person truely repents then it is good that you welcome him back into the fold.

A little more clarification to my clarification. Yup, here it comes, brace for the hurling of
rotten eggs and anchovies...

Since promiscuity is such a prevailing issue, and
Since promiscuous behavior actually takes the lives of God's children in a cruel and
awful way,
And since my own sinful nature is no better nor worse than any other sinner,
And since we are saved not by our own works, but by the Grace of God,

I believe that its moral and just to allow for gay exclusive commitment ceremonies. That's
why everyone hates me so much hereabouts.

It is possible, and reasonable, to read the Pauline texts regarding homosexuality in
terms of homosexual promiscuity, as in yielding to lust, not as in loving exclusive
commitment.

But at the same time I recognize the sinful hurt that is a part of homosexuality as well.

 

[anna]

A little more clarification to my clarification. Yup, here it comes, brace for the hurling of
rotten eggs and anchovies...

Since promiscuity is such a prevailing issue, and
Since promiscuous behavior actually takes the lives of God's children in a cruel and
awful way,
And since my own sinful nature is no better nor worse than any other sinner,
And since we are saved not by our own works, but by the Grace of God,

I believe that its moral and just to allow for gay exclusive commitment ceremonies. That's
why everyone hates me so much hereabouts.

It is possible, and reasonable, to read the Pauline texts regarding homosexuality in
terms of homosexual promiscuity, as in yielding to lust, not as in loving exclusive
commitment.

But at the same time I recognize the sinful hurt that is a part of homosexuality as well.

You mean to say that you would allow gay marrage to be lawful? If so then I would say that you were soft on homosexuals. The whole concept of having laws is to not only teach us right and wrong, but it is also to protect the godly from the ungodly. Fornication and pornography should also be illegal too even though you won't see me killing or harassing any fornicators or pornographers. I tend to have a live and let live attitude towards people because I am just a citizen. If I was a leader, judge, or minister of wrath, I would have the duty of protecting citizens from ungodly people and destructive ideas.

 

[Agape4Robin]

A little more clarification to my clarification. Yup, here it comes, brace for the hurling of
rotten eggs and anchovies...

Since promiscuity is such a prevailing issue, and
Since promiscuous behavior actually takes the lives of God's children in a cruel and
awful way,
And since my own sinful nature is no better nor worse than any other sinner,
And since we are saved not by our own works, but by the Grace of God,

I believe that its moral and just to allow for gay exclusive commitment ceremonies. That's
why everyone hates me so much hereabouts.

It is possible, and reasonable, to read the Pauline texts regarding homosexuality in
terms of homosexual promiscuity, as in yielding to lust, not as in loving exclusive
commitment.

But at the same time I recognize the sinful hurt that is a part of homosexuality as well.

It's still a perversion of God's design for men and women, but this is a democracy and not a theocracy and if it's society's solution........then so be it. But if it were put to a vote, I would vote against it.

God's provision for promiscuity, is for a man and the woman he's sleeping with to marry.......you'll notice that biblically, there is no provision for homos except that they turn from their sin and repent.