Brother Vinny
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I agree, but I'm curious to what you would uphold as proper morality, and what would characterize it as such.
How Many Would Vote to Have The Laws Reversed To Outlaw acts Of Homosexuality
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I agree, but I'm curious to what you would uphold as proper morality, and what would characterize it as such.
InHope
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In my opinion, for a crime to occur, there has to be a victim. Otherwise, it's just the state dictating an arbitrary morality.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't think that the government has any business telling me what's right or wrong. It's only business is the protection of its citizens.
Therefore, no, I do not think that there should be any laws about the sexual behavior of consenting adults.
**This does not mean that I support all of this type of behavior on a spiritual basis. It only means that I see no justification for it being criminalized.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't think that the government has any business telling me what's right or wrong. It's only business is the protection of its citizens.
Therefore, no, I do not think that there should be any laws about the sexual behavior of consenting adults.
**This does not mean that I support all of this type of behavior on a spiritual basis. It only means that I see no justification for it being criminalized.
So government is supposed to make laws for what is moral or immoral as far as homosexuality?
I think not.
There are entirely to many stupid laws already why make another one?
I believe in following the law, thats not a problem for me, but to outlaw homosexuality is ridiculous.
Law would not change that never has never will. :ha:
I think not.
There are entirely to many stupid laws already why make another one?
I believe in following the law, thats not a problem for me, but to outlaw homosexuality is ridiculous.
Law would not change that never has never will. :ha:
Brother Vinny
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Especially since the ones in place concerning spelling, grammar, and sentence structure aren't being enforced!
What is your problem?
I never said I was an english major.
I don't believe you are either.:banana:
Brother Vinny
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Maybe not, but I have a love for the language that sometimes gets the better of my social graces (what little I have).
I have been known to arrogantly split my infinitives now and then. While thinking of clever things to post here, others have caught me with my gerunds dangling. And I know how to end a sentence with a preposition when I have to.
:thumb:Maybe not, but I have a love for the language that sometimes gets the better of my social graces (what little I have).
I have been known to arrogantly split my infinitives now and then. While thinking of clever things to post here, others have caught me with my gerunds dangling. And I know how to end a sentence with a preposition when I have to.
Dena
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Fantastic!!!!!
No...for a multitude of reasons. One being that we here in the United States are not ruled by Jewish courts. There were a lot of Laws given I'm not sure why some of you want to obsess over this one. Would you like to vote for the other 612 as well?
:squint: I think I disagree with you, but I really cannot commit to anything one way or the other till you start speaking English.
Because making this law (a good one) would eliminate a lot of stupid ones. A stupid one being, "Thou may not condemn homos".
Than you.
Did you miss when I said "moral/ethical"? Do you know what that means? It does not encompass all 613. It only encompasses enough to take up one single normal sized page at 12 point font. One sheet of paper from your printer would hold it all.
- Do not murder
- Do not fornicate
- Do not commit adultery
- Do not commit homosexual acts
- Do not commit bestiality
- Do not rape
- Do not kidnap
- Do not steal
- Do not commit perjury
Actually, here it is:
Criminal Code
You shall not murder. Judges will execute those convicted of murder (Gen. 9:6; Ex. 21:12-14; 20:13; Lev. 24:17, 21; Num. 35:16-21, 31; Deut. 19:11-13; 1Ki. 18:22, 39-40; 1 Tim. 1:8-10) including those euthanizing, starving, or aborting (Ex. 21:22-23) human beings from the moment of fertilization to natural death. Judges will flog those guilty of assault and impose restitution for lost income and medical expenses (Ex. 21:18-19), and for permanent injury also require an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, life for life (Lev. 24:19-20). Judges will carry out all corporal and capital punishments swiftly and painfully, within twenty-four hours of conviction; and limit floggings to forty blows (Deut. 25:1-3; Lev. 24:19-20; 19:16-21; 1 Pet. 2:20). Judges will not convict for the use of force in defense of property and the innocent, in escalation to match the perceived threat up to lethal force; nor for purely accidental homicide (Deut. 19:4); will execute those guilty of negligent homicide (Ex. 21:28-30; Deut. 22:8); and flog those who could have avoided otherwise accidental homicide, and anyone committing revenge killing (Num. 35:26-27) of those guilty of capital crimes.
You shall not commit adultery. Judges will execute those convicted of bestiality (Ex. 22:19; Lev. 20:15-16); those convicted of incest including with in-laws (Lev. 11-12, 14-15, 17, 19-21); of homosexual acts (Lev. 18:22, 29; 20:13); of child molestation; of kidnapping or rape (Ex. 21:15-16; Deut. 22:25-27; 24:7); and of adultery with a married woman (Lev. 20:10; Deut. 22:22; Ex. 20:14). Judges will flog those convicted of fornication; of public use of vulgar sexual and excretory language; of sexually suggestive dress or behavior; of intoxication; and of possession of pornography. Judges will flog more severely those convicted of transvestism; of public nudity; and of distributing pornography. And judges will flog more severely still those convicted of prostitution; of producing pornography for any use; and of sexual acts in public places.
You shall not steal. Judges will flog and require restitution for convicted thieves, negligent recipients of stolen goods, and those who violate contracts (Deut. 25:1‑3). Judges will impose double restitution for recovered goods, the return of the goods plus one-hundred percent value (Ex. 22:4, 7-9; 20:15); quadruple for destroyed or sold goods; quintuple for intellectual, irreplaceable and sentimental goods (Ex. 22:1); seven times for insignificant goods (Prov. 6:30-31); and twenty percent for voluntarily surrendered goods (Lev. 6:1-7). The judge shall impose corporal punishment and life for life penalties for collateral damage from any crime, including bodily injury resulting from the destruction of property which warrants greater than even restitution. A person or his resources causing unforeseeable or unavoidable property damage including by natural disaster without negligence shall pay no restitution, or with negligence shall pay even restitution. Persons taking shared risk shall pay mutual restitution (Ex. 21:32-36; Lev. 24:18). Avoidable accident without negligence, including the malfunction of a maintained resource requires even restitution but with negligence, including by a neglected resource demands double restitution. Gross negligence requires quadruple restitution and intentional destruction demands quintuple restitution. Excepting those executed, judges will sentence those who cannot pay restitution, to indentured servitude for up to seven years with the victim receiving all service or earnings.
You shall not bear false witness. Judges will punish those convicted of perjury, false confession, credible threat, conspiracy, abbeting, attempt, fully as though they had personally committed the crime (Deut. 19:16-21; 2 Sam. 1:15-16; Ex. 20:16). Judges will flog and impose restitution on those convicted of slander. Judges will flog those in contempt of court, and execute those guilty of treason and violators of court orders which protect victims (Deut. 17:12-13). A man is not innocent until proven guilty. He is guilty the moment he commits a crime, but presumed innocent (Deut. 22:22-27) in court until convicted. Convicting the innocent and acquitting the guilty are equally unjust (Pro. 17:15). A judge at his discretion, suspends the rights of liberty including the use of weapons, for the credibly accused, and mandatorily confines one facing a likely sentence of maiming or capital punishment, until the rendering of a verdict. Reasonable evidence from two or three witnesses, whether from eyewitnesses, physical, or strong circumstantial evidence, shall suffice for conviction; individual rights shall not supersede the judge's God-given right to impose punishment on the guilty. Judges shall not grant nor have special immunity from prosecution; shall not give more lenient punishment to minors; shall not give special recognition to lawyers or experts in the law; may observe and advise other judges during trial ; shall not allow witnesses to swear or give an oath (James 5:12, Mat. 5:34-37; 2 Cor. 1:17); and shall question witnesses directly. Judges shall not accept no-contest pleas or bargains; shall punish criminals for all collateral damage; shall permit witnesses and victims to participate in punishment (Deut. 13:9; 17:7); and shall show no mercy to the guilty (Num. 35:31; Deut. 19:13, 21; Pro. 6:30-31).
America's Criminal Code shall be enforced by the King as authorized in The Constitution of America.
My view murder will go on and on and on, no law will stop that...
My view rape will go on and on and on, no law will stop that...
My view tax evasion will go on and on and on, no law will stop that...
Pretty lame arguments, don't you think?
WizardofOz
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Matthew 5:32
We're executing anyone who has divorced and remarried for any reason other than marital unfaithfulness, right?
No I don't think it is lame at all, I haven't ever thought of homosexuality in the same category as murder or tax evasion abortion or rape.
I see it as two same sex consenting adults, I honestly don't see what a reversed law would do.
How would one go about arresting these individuals?
Why would anyone even want to when there are crimes such as rape murder child molestation?
Homosexuality is a sin but certainly no crime. :deadhorse:
Just pointing out that the circular reasoning that you seem to be using. You tried to show that homosexuality should not be a crime, because recriminalizing it will not end it. No crime ends, just because it of the law. Your argument is therefore silly.
WizardofOz
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Bump for all the reconstructionalists out there.
I must admit you brought up a point that I hadn't considered.
Is that in there?
I know it's not. But the question that needs answering is: why isn't it in there?
Do you know why?
WizardofOz
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No, Lighthouse, I do not know why - I have been waiting for years for one of you to explain it to me. Will you be the one?