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TulipBee

TulipBee

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daqq said:
So no passages that say man is "totally depraved", huh? Just as we all already knew. Your totally depraved doctrine is a strawman, a false flag, a false beacon set up by sirens to coax your ship onto the rocks so that you may be plundered by pirates, (lol).

Deuteronomy 1:37-39 KJV
37 Also the LORD was angry with me for your sakes, saying, Thou also shalt not go in thither.
38 But Joshua the son of Nun, which standeth before thee, he shall go in thither: encourage him: for he shall cause Israel to inherit it.
39 Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

And now your strawman is burning because the statement, "your children which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil", speaks directly back to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the very beginning: and yet these children of Israel had no such knowledge of good and evil because they had not willfully transgressed after the manner of Adam. It does not mean they were perfectly innocent but that they had not willfully and rebelliously transgressed in open rebellion as Adam did in the Genesis narrative. There is therefore a significant difference between a "slip of the foot" type of transgression and open willful rebellion which is witchcraft and leads to "total depravity". Elohim indeed has "concluded all men under sin", as Paul says, but that does not equate to total depravity. "Burn baby, burn, (strawman inferno", lol).
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You're on man's wavelength. Past, present and future at the same time is nothing like the ticking clocks we're all used you. Holy spirit leads the reader forward and backward in flashbacks and futures. Timing moves around in the Bible and you'll have to catch up before we go further in this conversation
 
freelight

freelight

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TulipBee said:
You need the right kind of choice, not the make believe one
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Don't forgot, 'God' set before his people blessing and curses, life or death,...and told them to CHOOSE life, that they may live. Does this indicate they had a CHOICE? The word is also not too far or beyond anyone that they cannot obey it. It is nigh, even in your mouth and heart....so the choosing to serve God is ever available. Also, every day you make free will choices within any given moment, within any given circumstance,....its a fact of life,...would you deny that? - since you would deny something in order to worship the dogma of a man, then it appears you might ignore the fact of free will. If you deny that man has any freedom whatsoever, you deny the very gift and enterprise of life itself, covenants, the reality of interactive relationships and the creative spontaneity of love. You basically deny the purpose of creation, which is an engagement of sentient beings in loving association....unfolding their potential,...exploring and experiencing all possibilities in infinity.

You have a choice in what you believe, and a choice to research it out better. You have a choice to remain in ignorance or become enlightened at any moment.
 
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daqq

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TulipBee said:
You're on man's wavelength. Past, present and future at the same time is nothing like the ticking clocks we're all used you. Holy spirit leads the reader forward and backward in flashbacks and futures. Timing moves around in the Bible and you'll have to catch up before we go further in this conversation
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Same line as most cults use: "We have 'the Spirit' and you do not!"

Bad news for you again: the Word is the Spirit whom you keep rejecting.
The spirit which I do not have is simply YOUR spirit and you spoke well in that. :)
 
TulipBee

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freelight said:
Don't forgot, 'God' set before his people blessing and curses, life or death,...and told them to CHOOSE life, that they may live. Does this indicate they had a CHOICE? The word is also not too far or beyond anyone that they cannot obey it. It is nigh, even in your mouth and heart....so the choosing to serve God is ever available. Also, every day you make free will choices within any given moment, within any given circumstance,....its a fact of life,...would you deny that? - since you would deny something in order to worship the dogma of a man, then it appears you might ignore the fact of free will. If you deny that man has any freedom whatsoever, you deny the very gift and enterprise of life itself, covenants, the reality of interactive relationships and the creative spontaneity of love. You basically deny the purpose of creation, which is an engagement of sentient beings in loving association....unfolding their potential,...exploring and experiencing all possibilities in infinity.

You have a choice in what you believe, and a choice to research it out better. You have a choice to remain in ignorance or become enlightened at any moment.
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I'm into the "God knew" part. Not what men thinks part. If the Bible tells me something, I believe it anyway. No need to doubt the 66 book the run of to another book written by those you don't know if it's real.
 
TulipBee

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daqq said:
Same line as most cults use: "We have 'the Spirit' and you do not!"

Bad news for you again: the Word is the Spirit whom you keep rejecting.
The spirit which I do not have is simply YOUR spirit and you spoke well in that. :)
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Like spurgeon said, there no maverick molecules. We all run off them. The spirit is the glue that holds everything together. God breathed into adam
 
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Or like the sons of the prophets (that which the "prophets" produced) who were no where near where they needed to be to receive the double portion. Peace
 
beloved57

beloved57

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daqq said:
Again, show us all one passage that says all men are "totally depraved" as you and yours assert. And taking something out of context only reveals that you do not understand what you read.
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All men by nature are in the flesh and carnal and that being so they cant obey God Rom 8:7

[FONT=&quot]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Cannot please God Rom 8:8

[/FONT]8 [FONT=&quot]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

So naturally, how is mans will free to obey God and Please God when he cant do it ?[/FONT]
 
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daqq

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beloved57 said:
All men by nature are in the flesh and carnal and that being so they cant obey God Rom 8:7

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Cannot please God Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

So naturally, how is mans will free to obey God and Please God when he cant do it ?
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Still no passage that says what you say, huh? And yet how is it that you can deduce these things from scripture texts and passages, (albeit erroneously), but you cannot see the clear and obvious deductions which Freelight and so many others have shown to you? You only reveal that you see only what you wish to see. Your freewill choices are getting the better of you. :)
 
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