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Yeah, I get a lot of that. The thing is, I don't have many answers, so questions seem the best way to go. You know? I've found that when people stick with me and do their best to forget debate and search for the words to answer, we're both better off in the end.
I'm better off, because I get the answers I seek and see I have no more reason to wonder why they believe. They're better off because their faith is strengthened, for they know better why they believe, too. They also get a deserved rest from the constant debate that infects forums like these and sometimes even enjoy the lost art of discussion, since it's kind of hard to argue with someone who isn't really trying to convince anyone but himself.
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Yeah, I get a lot of that. The thing is, I don't have many answers, so questions seem the best way to go. You know? I've found that when people stick with me and do their best to forget debate and search for the words to answer, we're both better off in the end.
I'm better off, because I get the answers I seek and see I have no more reason to wonder why they believe. They're better off because their faith is strengthened, for they know better why they believe, too. They also get a deserved rest from the constant debate that infects forums like these and sometimes even enjoy the lost art of discussion, since it's kind of hard to argue with someone who isn't really trying to convince anyone but himself.
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Before i knew God, i was a completely different person, i loved drinking and socialising, i loved the things of the world and building up in it, my heart he was full of wrong things, I'd hold grudges, i could be spiteful, i could backbite, I'd be envious. Etc. And even though i said that i believed in God, i still had these things in me, i wasn't a nice person but i thought? i was fine,. I couldn't see myself for what i was really like. I had an uncle who was a strong man of God, and he would teach me and live it out on front of me, but I'd still carrying on living my life to please me, i was a disgrace.
Then i started going to our little house meetings, that my uncle went to, and they taught us to turn away from doing wrong, obey Gods commandments and do what's right before him, they said that if i had faith and truly believed in God and Christ, that God would strengthen me to overcome. So i started going with my husband more often to our house meetings, and God's people there would help me and strengthen me until i got it for myself, and i started to try and obey God and turn away from the things i did wrong, i couldn't do it in my own, but eventually i did start to overcome them, i started feeling this strength and power from within that would help me to stop doing what i was about to do, my conscience was getting stronger and i knew then the this was the Holy Spirit. I also started to understand things in the Bible that i couldn't understand before, and God was giving me a mouth to speak. It was like standing in a dark room and the day starting to dawn and i started to see, not only the things of God, but the dirt that was inside my heart also.
My whole life changed upside down, all the things that meant so much to me left me, the devil's that had a hold of me were going, i was able to turn from doing wrong, and any wrong thoughts that were coming into my mind, i was nipping them in the bud and before they could get worse and grow. I know that Christ by the Spirit was helping me to overcome. As i said, I'm a totally different person now, I've never felt peace like i do now, God is amazing and by his grace I'm saved from my old Life and I'm dead to it, and I'm born again to a new life in God, and through Christ Jesus I'm being saved daily and I'm being helped to overcome and i die daily so that Christ can live through me!
The Almighty is obviously in your debt.
marhig
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I'm not of any religion truster!
Having read your testimony you have the most vile and despicable religions. Self justifying.
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Do you have children?
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I don't agree with you on any of that.
I just don't play games.
You are playing games and should be seeking to find answers from God.
God reveals Himself to those who obey him.
John 14:21 The person who has my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him."
marhig
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I'm not really bothered what you think of me, i don't believe anyone who teaches that we don't have to obey God. Your in a false church and you follow a false religion!
Actually He doesn't reveal Himself to those that obey Him. Those He reveals His grace in and to then walk in obedience. Your form of vile religion puts the Almighty in your debt.
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Two sons. One studying Computer Science at Perdue University and one a recovering addict living in our home.
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marhig
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No I'm forever in his, because without God and Christ is still be dead in my sins!
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You are not speaking what the Bible says. Look at the scripture. Jesus says plainly that the one who obeys, he will love and reveal himself.
John 14:21 The person who has my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him."
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Not sure what you mean. Are you saying I'm disobeying by asking questions? Or are you saying it's not wrong to ask, but I'm not sincere about finding the truth? Or are you saying something else?
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Your use the word church in the context you have chosen also means you haven't got a clue as to the meaning of church. It appears 80 times in scripture and it pleased the Holy Spirit to use it, but you have no idea what is in the Mind of the Spirit when He conveyed this to us. You read the Bible, but there are more blanks on the pages than words.
church church church church church church church church church church over and over again without any comprehension. When I see the word church it opens up the knowledge of what it means and what it meant to those that first heard the word. The word they heard was actually ecclesia and not |"church".
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Can't you read what I plainly say and then figure it out?
You have no idea of what the word commandment refers to in this verse. The word obey is also beyond your ken.
You read this verse as being a command to do something, while in actual fact, it is a statement of fact. That those found doing these things can rest assured they are loved. Not will be loved "if" they obey.
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Hi! Thanks for asking. It means I'm not into partisan religion. The partisan who discusses something cares nothing about the possibility that what she says might be untrue, but only cares about convincing those she speaks to. Me, I'm not trying to convince anyone, but only trying to convince myself!
So when I do question why someone believes, I'm not questioning what they believe. I'm only wondering if their reasons for believing something are good reasons for me to believe it, too. One can believe something for all the wrong reasons. Doesn't make what they believe untrue. Might mean they only need to find some better reasons.
Why do you ask? Or are there any other questions I may answer for you?
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Hi! Thanks for asking. It means I'm not into partisan religion. The partisan who discusses something cares nothing about the possibility that what she says might be untrue, but only cares about convincing those she speaks to. Me, I'm not trying to convince anyone, but only trying to convince myself!
So when I do question why someone believes, I'm not questioning what they believe. I'm only wondering if their reasons for believing something are good reasons for me to believe it, too. One can believe something for all the wrong reasons. Doesn't make what they believe untrue. Might mean they only need to find some better reasons.
Why do you ask? Or are there any other questions I may answer for you?
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marhig
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Ok, well that love you have for your children, even to the point that you would still love your son and look after him even though he is a recovering addict, this is what God's love is like for us every single one of us, he loves all of us no matter what, and all he wants is for is to love him back. Look at the parable of the prodigal son, the father never turned his back on the son, it was the son that walked away and wasted his inheritance, the father always wanted him back.
That's why God sent Jesus, Jesus came and bore witness to the truth, he brought that love of God to all and he preached the gospel hoping to bring back as many to God as possible, and no matter how bad others saw many people, Jesus was among them, he would be among drug addicts, alcoholics, people on the streets, people with diseases all those that many in society looks down on. And if we have the love of God within our hearts, then we will love everyone too. Regardless of who they are, and we will help them when we are needed, to bring the love of God and life of Christ to them and let Christ do his work through us. This is something that I would never have done without God, i couldn't have done it as i was so full of myself. God has changed my heart, and that love i have has grown stronger, so much so that i care for others more than i ever thought i could. And it's all because Christ came in a man, and he helped me and opened my eyes to the truth.
You have stopped gross sins, but the greatest sin of self justification, you cannot put to death. In fact it is thriving in you.
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Any particular verses?
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I've read it. Is there anything you want me to consider about John 3?
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Any particular verses?
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I've read it. Is there anything you want me to consider about John 3?
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