keypurr
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I question if Mel is Christ.
Equal with God = God....no question
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I question if Mel is Christ.
It was witnessed in the first century that Melchizedek lives.
Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives. (Hebrews 7:8 NKJV)
Melchizedek is contrasted with mortal men.
It does not matter what meaning was had for the Logos, the actual word that were inspired [with a view to stitch you up] is
HE was in the beginning with God and HE was God and HE made all things and the Logos became flesh and blood and dwelled among us.
Put that in your linguistic pipe and smoke it.
The flesh man Yeshua being the robe of the Spirit man, would be dipped in blood. Peace
Joseph-Henry-Thayer said nothing about the Logos becoming flesh and dwelling among us. Or His being God
...try again
I don't know what you are saying. :idunno:
genuineoriginal
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You don't know what you are talking about.
John 1:3-4 3 All things were made by αὐτός; and without αὐτός was not any thing made that was made. 4 In αὐτός was life; and the life was the light of men. |
αὐτός autos Strongs G846
The KJV translates Strongs G846 in the following manner: him (1,952x), his (1,084x), their (318x), he (252x), her (242x), they (121x), same (80x), himself (58x), misc (1,678x).
If the word αὐτός can be translated as "her" 242 times, then it should be obvious that we can't rely on the word αὐτός having been translated as "him" in that verse.
genuineoriginal
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You should try reading what he wrote instead of making up things about someone you don't even know about.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3056&t=KJV
Twaddle, John piles it on
He was with God, He was God, He was in the world , the world was made by Him...what was that some kind of blue print plan?
In seeking to be wise you people make yourselves foolish
No wonder you think the Jews are Gods people according to the flesh.
The true Christian is the true Jew.
There are none other who are the apple of His eye.
Every believer in Christ of the Jews at the first, were Christians.
Do not think churches and flesh, we can leave that for catholics and flesh jews to fight over.
LA
keypurr
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Who really is Mel? He was king of Salem, he was high priest, but what do we really know about him?
He was more than the king of Salem. The term "malkiy tsedek" means King of Righteousness.
...first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace...” (Hebrews 7:2 NKJV)
exminister
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Hebrews 7
This is all we need to know about 'Mel' because the author of Hebrews is using Mel as an analogy to the Son of God. He clearly identifies what we need to know. In fact the author is using the lack of known details to his advantage.
So please consider what attributes the author has chosen and the name he chose-the Son of God.
genuineoriginal
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You could easily replace the word "He" in those verses with the word "It", "She", or "They" and still have a valid English translation of the Greek in that passage.
The Jews have elevated minor points of the Torah into major life changing doctrines.
They take a couple of verses that say you are not to "seethe a kid in its mother's milk" into a prohibition against eating any kind of meat with any kind of dairy to the point that they even use two sets of dishes to keep them apart.
That is foolishness.
Many Christians have elevated a minor points in the Gospel of John into major doctrines.
They concentrate so hard on trying to make those points prove the doctrine of the Trinity that they completely miss out on the real reason for the writing of the Gospel.
That is also foolishness.
John 20:31 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. |
Believe that Jesus is the Messiah (Christ), the Son of God.
There is no other belief that you need in order to have life through His name.
exminister
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You are correct Genuine about the Greek
The translation below does not contain a pronoun like He.
John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
However Revelation 19 does use a pronoun "His name"
Revelation 19
Then I saw heaven opened, and there was a white horse! Its rider is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems; and he has a name inscribed that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, wearing fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron; he will tread the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name inscribed, ‘King of kings and Lord of lords’.
Click on Greek option - GRK
http://biblehub.com/text/revelation/19-13.htm
αὐτοῦ of him
The translation below does not contain a pronoun like He.
John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
However Revelation 19 does use a pronoun "His name"
Revelation 19
Then I saw heaven opened, and there was a white horse! Its rider is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems; and he has a name inscribed that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, wearing fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron; he will tread the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name inscribed, ‘King of kings and Lord of lords’.
Click on Greek option - GRK
http://biblehub.com/text/revelation/19-13.htm
αὐτοῦ of him
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Yes and yes.
The Jesus who is the son of God is the man.
not some preexistent spirit.
LA
You do not believe He is God's Son, you believe He is Mary's son.
It doesn't matter what your fancy linguist says...the Logos who was God became flesh and dwelt among us...that totally negates your point.
Do you not believe the Logos becomes flesh as us?
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Could it be that you are eating and drinking from the wrong source, and taken the same path of the religious dead.
Do you hear Gods voice, or are you like many here who never drank from Christ in the first place, as they do not know what it is to do so, but you the Pentecostal should know better.
LA
genuineoriginal
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No, I believe Jesus is the Son of God.
You are the one that doesn't want to admit that Jesus is the Son of God.
Actually, that proves my point.
The Logos, God's expectation, became flesh.
Jesus, the only begotten Son of God, in whom God was well pleased, was the physical manifestation of everything God expected from His creation of man.
John stitches you up every which way you turn
The Logos was with God in the beginning and the Logos was God.
Isn't it a pity for you that John specifically says with God and He was God.
Then darn it he says it again, only this time he says HE was in the beginning with God
HE made everything that was made
HE became flesh and blood and dwelt among us.
John KNOWS you, he KNOWS all your arguments and he is there to counter every one of them.