(Hello Again, sorry but I only want talk in parenthesis..............the First Commandment can be seen as an observance of your Consciousness that is your Morality ......... the Second Commandment can be seen as an observance of your "Processes of Life", this includes all of your interactions, either circumstantial or premeditated ............ the information is not designed to address a "Flesh and Blood" argument only so it can be misleading, but I want to address your issue with sincerity: If you have more than one wife, or more than one husband and those people are legally obligated to you, and their needs are not being met, then you are committing a sin in observance of the Commandments (God allowed Moses to give 10 Commandments to summarize the Gospel, but God only allowed Jesus to give 2 Commandments, we discussed, to summarize the Gospel because, Moses was a Partial Law that is the Old Testament by itself, but Jesus is a complete Law, that is the Old and New Testament in harmony though the redemption of Jesus) ............. if you have a wife or a husband that is living and you divorced that person, and resolved your grievance with the law, and then you remarriaged, then you are resolved of sin in observance of the New Testament Correction in our Observance of the Commandments, in which we use the Impersonal Nature of the Written Word, and the Due Processes of the Law to resolve our contention with sin that is beyond the measure of the Love for Jesus in our hearts and our Love of our Person as the Marriage to Jesus. Our Walk of Faith as individuals is not natively referred to as Adultery, we Love Jesus as the Marriage that reproves our Outward Person, but we Love Jesus to reprove our hears in the Hearing of his Written Word ...................... We cannot love a human being the same way we love Jesus, so just because we love someone, this is not counted as a sin, this is only counted as an observance of the commandments..............................(The Antichrist is not a Son of Man from the Levites, the Antichrist is a Son of Man from Joseph, he does not add to or remove the written Law, God only allows him to revisit the language of the Law ... God never refers to the Antichrist to perform the Work of Redemption by Blood Sacrifice in the Book of Revelations for this reason, God uses the Manchild to call the Nations to Repentance before the Holy Spirit ............ right now God does not want the Church to perform a work, in assuming that the Antichrist is a Levite, or in assuming that you should act before God gives a "Sign of Divorce", the Church must cherish its "Adultery Disposition", and not attempt to extend this language of the law to either the Sons of Man, namely the Antichrist who is now in view, or the Elect/Believers, or the Nations, that is a burden you must bare as we discussed, and God affords his grace when you are faithful in abstaining from performing work, this is difficult but we are at the end of time............Love and Blessings..........when we fail to distinguish the suffering and pain gospels Satan uses in dismissing the righteousness in God's Plan then we fall into a snare of viewing the Churches disposition as cruelty the same applies to "Joseph"...........you don't need to understand much (hopefully all is simplified), this unresolved issue of "Adultery with the Churches" will be addressed directly by the Antichrist soon, with great signs and with the lord's mercy in order to reprove the churches/nations)
Does Romans 7:1-3 affirm different rules for women and men regarding adultery?
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(Hello Again, sorry but I only want talk in parenthesis..............the First Commandment can be seen as an observance of your Consciousness that is your Morality ......... the Second Commandment can be seen as an observance of your "Processes of Life", this includes all of your interactions, either circumstantial or premeditated ............ the information is not designed to address a "Flesh and Blood" argument only so it can be misleading, but I want to address your issue with sincerity: If you have more than one wife, or more than one husband and those people are legally obligated to you, and their needs are not being met, then you are committing a sin in observance of the Commandments (God allowed Moses to give 10 Commandments to summarize the Gospel, but God only allowed Jesus to give 2 Commandments, we discussed, to summarize the Gospel because, Moses was a Partial Law that is the Old Testament by itself, but Jesus is a complete Law, that is the Old and New Testament in harmony though the redemption of Jesus) ............. if you have a wife or a husband that is living and you divorced that person, and resolved your grievance with the law, and then you remarriaged, then you are resolved of sin in observance of the New Testament Correction in our Observance of the Commandments, in which we use the Impersonal Nature of the Written Word, and the Due Processes of the Law to resolve our contention with sin that is beyond the measure of the Love for Jesus in our hearts and our Love of our Person as the Marriage to Jesus. Our Walk of Faith as individuals is not natively referred to as Adultery, we Love Jesus as the Marriage that reproves our Outward Person, but we Love Jesus to reprove our hears in the Hearing of his Written Word ...................... We cannot love a human being the same way we love Jesus, so just because we love someone, this is not counted as a sin, this is only counted as an observance of the commandments..............................(The Antichrist is not a Son of Man from the Levites, the Antichrist is a Son of Man from Joseph, he does not add to or remove the written Law, God only allows him to revisit the language of the Law ... God never refers to the Antichrist to perform the Work of Redemption by Blood Sacrifice in the Book of Revelations for this reason, God uses the Manchild to call the Nations to Repentance before the Holy Spirit ............ right now God does not want the Church to perform a work, in assuming that the Antichrist is a Levite, or in assuming that you should act before God gives a "Sign of Divorce", the Church must cherish its "Adultery Disposition", and not attempt to extend this language of the law to either the Sons of Man, namely the Antichrist who is now in view, or the Elect/Believers, or the Nations, that is a burden you must bare as we discussed, and God affords his grace when you are faithful in abstaining from performing work, this is difficult but we are at the end of time............Love and Blessings..........when we fail to distinguish the suffering and pain gospels Satan uses in dismissing the righteousness in God's Plan then we fall into a snare of viewing the Churches disposition as cruelty the same applies to "Joseph"...........you don't need to understand much (hopefully all is simplified), this unresolved issue of "Adultery with the Churches" will be addressed directly by the Antichrist soon, with great signs and with the lord's mercy in order to reprove the churches/nations)
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Did you read what my thoughts at #214 here were about? Did you read what I referred to--the person very familiar with the Hebrew vocab?
Now I understand. I suspect so. Excellent point. Lol. Um, David is truly sinless in the eyes of the Jew.
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Does Romans 7:1-3 affirm different rules for women and men regarding adultery?
Ok,
So I don't want to be two faced.
I've discussed how your interpretation of the TaNaKh is missing that David sinned.
I don't want you to think I'm avoiding talking to you about it, so here is my direct reply.
I understand the Jewish perspective of David and all of the Patriarchs and men of Israel.
I agree with the importance of the Torah in light of record and foreshadowing, but have you read where David weeps for forgiveness before God about the Bathsheeba incident?
Nathan called Bathsheeba Uriah's wife.
It's in the TaNaKh.
Is that mutable?
Psalms 32 is most likely about the incident.
Psalm 32
The Joy of Forgiveness
Davidic. A Maskil.
1 How joyful is the one
whose transgression is forgiven,
whose sin is covered!
2 How joyful is the man
the Lord does not charge with sin
and in whose spirit is no deceit!
3 When I kept silent, my bones became brittle
from my groaning all day long.
4 For day and night Your hand was heavy on me;
my strength was drained
as in the summer’s heat.Selah
5 Then I acknowledged my sin to You
and did not conceal my iniquity.
I said,
“I will confess my transgressions to the Lord,”
and You took away the guilt of my sin.Selah
6 Therefore let everyone who is faithful pray to You
at a time that You may be found.
When great floodwaters come,
they will not reach him.
7 You are my hiding place;
You protect me from trouble.
You surround me with joyful shouts of deliverance.Selah
8 I will instruct you and show you the way to go;
with My eye on you, I will give counsel.
9 Do not be like a horse or mule,
without understanding,
that must be controlled with bit and bridle
or else it will not come near you.
10 Many pains come to the wicked,
but the one who trusts in the Lord
will have faithful love surrounding him.
11 Be glad in the Lord and rejoice,
you righteous ones;
shout for joy,
all you upright in heart.
And again......
2 Samuel 12
Nathan’s Parable and David’s Repentance
So the Lord sent Nathan to David. When he arrived, he said to him:
There were two men in a certain city, one rich and the other poor. 2 The rich man had a large number of sheep and cattle, 3 but the poor man had nothing except one small ewe lamb that he had bought. He raised it, and it grew up, living with him and his children. It shared his meager food and drank from his cup; it slept in his arms, and it was like a daughter to him. 4 Now a traveler came to the rich man, but the rich man could not bring himself to take one of his own sheep or cattle to prepare for the traveler who had come to him. Instead, he took the poor man’s lamb and prepared it for his guest.
5 David was infuriated with the man and said to Nathan: “As the Lord lives, the man who did this deserves to die! 6 Because he has done this thing and shown no pity, he must pay four lambs for that lamb.”
7 Nathan replied to David, “You are the man! This is what the Lord God of Israel says: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8 I gave your master’s house to you and your master’s wives into your arms, and I gave you the house of Israel and Judah, and if that was not enough, I would have given you even more. 9 Why then have you despised the command of the Lord by doing what I consider evil? You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife as your own wife—you murdered him with the Ammonite’s sword. 10 Now therefore, the sword will never leave your house because you despised Me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own wife.’
11 “This is what the Lord says, ‘I am going to bring disaster on you from your own family: I will take your wives and give them to another before your very eyes, and he will sleep with them publicly.12 You acted in secret, but I will do this before all Israel and in broad daylight.’”
13 David responded to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.”
Then Nathan replied to David, “The Lord has taken away your sin; you will not die. 14 However, because you treated the Lord with such contempt in this matter, the son born to you will die.” 15 Then Nathan went home.
The Death of Bathsheba’s Son
The Lord struck the baby that Uriah’s wife had borne to David, and he became ill. 16 David pleaded with God for the boy. He fasted, went home, and spent the night lying on the ground. 17 The elders of his house stood beside him to get him up from the ground, but he was unwilling and would not eat anything with them.
18 On the seventh day the baby died. But David’s servants were afraid to tell him the baby was dead. They said, “Look, while the baby was alive, we spoke to him, and he wouldn’t listen to us. So how can we tell him the baby is dead? He may do something desperate.”
19 When David saw that his servants were whispering to each other, he guessed that the baby was dead. So he asked his servants, “Is the baby dead?”
“He is dead,” they replied.
20 Then David got up from the ground. He washed, anointed himself, changed his clothes, went to the Lord’s house, and worshiped. Then he went home and requested something to eat. So they served him food, and he ate.
21 His servants asked him, “What did you just do? While the baby was alive, you fasted and wept, but when he died, you got up and ate food.”
22 He answered, “While the baby was alive, I fasted and wept because I thought, ‘Who knows? The Lord may be gracious to me and let him live.’ 23 But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I’ll go to him, but he will never return to me
............. If the TaNaKh says that David sinned and David said he sinned, how can anyone believe that David didn't sin?
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Yoḥanon-benYaʿăqov;4772206 said:
Ok,
So I don't want to be two faced.
I've discussed how your interpretation of the TaNaKh is missing that David sinned.
I don't want you to think I'm avoiding talking to you about it, so here is my direct reply.
I understand the Jewish perspective of David and all of the Patriarchs and men of Israel.
I agree with the importance of the Torah in light of record and foreshadowing, but have you read where David weeps for forgiveness before God about the Bathsheeba incident?
Nathan called Bathsheeba Uriah's wife.
It's in the TaNaKh.
Is that mutable?
Psalms 32 is most likely about the incident.
Psalm 32
The Joy of Forgiveness
Davidic. A Maskil.
1 How joyful is the one
whose transgression is forgiven,
whose sin is covered!
2 How joyful is the man
the Lord does not charge with sin
and in whose spirit is no deceit!
3 When I kept silent, my bones became brittle
from my groaning all day long.
4 For day and night Your hand was heavy on me;
my strength was drained
as in the summer’s heat.Selah
5 Then I acknowledged my sin to You
and did not conceal my iniquity.
I said,
“I will confess my transgressions to the Lord,”
and You took away the guilt of my sin.Selah
6 Therefore let everyone who is faithful pray to You
at a time that You may be found.
When great floodwaters come,
they will not reach him.
7 You are my hiding place;
You protect me from trouble.
You surround me with joyful shouts of deliverance.Selah
8 I will instruct you and show you the way to go;
with My eye on you, I will give counsel.
9 Do not be like a horse or mule,
without understanding,
that must be controlled with bit and bridle
or else it will not come near you.
10 Many pains come to the wicked,
but the one who trusts in the Lord
will have faithful love surrounding him.
11 Be glad in the Lord and rejoice,
you righteous ones;
shout for joy,
all you upright in heart.
And again......
2 Samuel 12
Nathan’s Parable and David’s Repentance
So the Lord sent Nathan to David. When he arrived, he said to him:
There were two men in a certain city, one rich and the other poor. 2 The rich man had a large number of sheep and cattle, 3 but the poor man had nothing except one small ewe lamb that he had bought. He raised it, and it grew up, living with him and his children. It shared his meager food and drank from his cup; it slept in his arms, and it was like a daughter to him. 4 Now a traveler came to the rich man, but the rich man could not bring himself to take one of his own sheep or cattle to prepare for the traveler who had come to him. Instead, he took the poor man’s lamb and prepared it for his guest.
5 David was infuriated with the man and said to Nathan: “As the Lord lives, the man who did this deserves to die! 6 Because he has done this thing and shown no pity, he must pay four lambs for that lamb.”
7 Nathan replied to David, “You are the man! This is what the Lord God of Israel says: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8 I gave your master’s house to you and your master’s wives into your arms, and I gave you the house of Israel and Judah, and if that was not enough, I would have given you even more. 9 Why then have you despised the command of the Lord by doing what I consider evil? You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife as your own wife—you murdered him with the Ammonite’s sword. 10 Now therefore, the sword will never leave your house because you despised Me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own wife.’
11 “This is what the Lord says, ‘I am going to bring disaster on you from your own family: I will take your wives and give them to another before your very eyes, and he will sleep with them publicly.12 You acted in secret, but I will do this before all Israel and in broad daylight.’”
13 David responded to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.”
Then Nathan replied to David, “The Lord has taken away your sin; you will not die. 14 However, because you treated the Lord with such contempt in this matter, the son born to you will die.” 15 Then Nathan went home.
The Death of Bathsheba’s Son
The Lord struck the baby that Uriah’s wife had borne to David, and he became ill. 16 David pleaded with God for the boy. He fasted, went home, and spent the night lying on the ground. 17 The elders of his house stood beside him to get him up from the ground, but he was unwilling and would not eat anything with them.
18 On the seventh day the baby died. But David’s servants were afraid to tell him the baby was dead. They said, “Look, while the baby was alive, we spoke to him, and he wouldn’t listen to us. So how can we tell him the baby is dead? He may do something desperate.”
19 When David saw that his servants were whispering to each other, he guessed that the baby was dead. So he asked his servants, “Is the baby dead?”
“He is dead,” they replied.
20 Then David got up from the ground. He washed, anointed himself, changed his clothes, went to the Lord’s house, and worshiped. Then he went home and requested something to eat. So they served him food, and he ate.
21 His servants asked him, “What did you just do? While the baby was alive, you fasted and wept, but when he died, you got up and ate food.”
22 He answered, “While the baby was alive, I fasted and wept because I thought, ‘Who knows? The Lord may be gracious to me and let him live.’ 23 But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I’ll go to him, but he will never return to me
............. If the TaNaKh says that David sinned and David said he sinned, how can anyone believe that David didn't sin?
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[MENTION=18263]Nameless.In.Grace[/MENTION]- at this point in time I would like to welcome you into the Reformed tradition. You msy not realize it, but you have a thorough heart for it and I would love to be the one to explain it all to you- and we can debate, no doubt- it's not a test of will 
[MENTION=18263]Nameless.In.Grace[/MENTION]- at this point in time I would like to welcome you into the Reformed tradition. You msy not realize it, but you have a thorough heart for it and I would love to be the one to explain it all to you- and we can debate, no doubt- it's not a test of will because I already know you have that
Lol., in a good way. Your words are kind!
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In truth, each individual person sees things slightly different.
I would be more than happy to go through some order of discussion over ideas with you.
But, not to change one another, but to see through one another's eyes.
Not to get into fights and debate, but to share from core perspective, with just the bible and understanding.
I would show up to that discussion with you.
Perhaps we could enlist the aid of Knight to moderate questions fit for our discussion.
I suggest Knight because He clearly knows how to moderate a positive discussion and remain unbiased.
Nothing big, but a stringent theological set of questions between you as a representative of reformed theology, and myself as a representative of home grown theology.
Seem like a thing to consider in the future?
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You'd be a good Reformed Christian- but go your own route, it is what you were meant for, much like me
As far as the mods, they are almost entirely 'dispensationalist'- that is not proper Christianity and you would do well to get away from it_
Sonnet
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Sorry, but I have no idea what you are trying to say.
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polygamy: the state or practice of being married to more than one person at the same timeYoḥanon-benYaʿăqov;4772206 said:
Extraordinary claims amounting to different rules for men and women. Certainly, the examples of men having multiple wives without censure might imply some of what you say (though not all) - but I don't any scriptures that explicitly sanction such polygamy. Perhaps you could be specific and cite relevant verses - even Deut 21:15-17 has been challenged by serpentdove - that it is referring to sequential marriage rather than concurrent.
Nevertheless, God through Nathan rebukes David for taking Bathsheba.
1 Kings 15:5
For David had done what was right in the eyes of the Lord and had not failed to keep any of the Lord’s commands all the days of his life—except in the case of Uriah the Hittite.
Extraordinary claim, but you haven't proven it.
Certainly, Jesus' assertions in Matthew 19 are very interesting:
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Exactly what Jesus means by, 'But it was not this way from the beginning,' remains unclear because he also said:
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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Matthew 19:8-9
Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Now was Jesus saying, in effect (especially when we reflect on the unrebuked polygamy of the Old Testament), '...stay married to your wife so that you will not be guilty of adultery when you marry another...'?
Or is he saying (especially when we reflect on his assertion that having sex with another is grounds for divorce), '...you will be guilty of adultery in marrying the other because, even though you divorced your wife, you are still considered married (in God's eyes) to her...'?
I'm not aware of any scriptural clarification on this.
Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Now was Jesus saying, in effect (especially when we reflect on the unrebuked polygamy of the Old Testament), '...stay married to your wife so that you will not be guilty of adultery when you marry another...'?
Or is he saying (especially when we reflect on his assertion that having sex with another is grounds for divorce), '...you will be guilty of adultery in marrying the other because, even though you divorced your wife, you are still considered married (in God's eyes) to her...'?
I'm not aware of any scriptural clarification on this.
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You'd be okay with your wife (if you are married) marrying someone else?
Or are people twisting Jesus in a way that contradicts Him? [emoji846]
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