Romans 10:14 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?"
Does Calvinism Make God Unjust?
- Thread starter Robert Pate
- Start date
Ask Mr. Religion
☞☞☞☞Presbyterian (PCA) 	
Gold Subscriber
LIFETIME MEMBER
Hall of Fame
This seems to be the crux of our discussion to me. Per your view, those so drawn may refuse this "drawing", yet Scripture's treatment of the word is more than mere wooing that may be ineffectual. If your view is correct, then God the Holy Spirit calls (your "prompts") yet His calling is not effectual in many cases because you aver that love cannot be compelled (to which I agree). This compelling I assume you assign to the Calvinist view, but this would be incorrect. The Calvinist view is the efficacious calling of God's children removes their hearts of stone and consequently they actually decide of their own regenerated free will to believe. No violence is done to their will, rather their marred, fallen, will is now restored to that which they possessed when man was first created before Adam's fall...a will inclined always for the good. The regenerated (born again) are not "forced" to believe, rather following re-birth they inevitably want and will believe, for this belief the first fruits of their regeneration. This is the Reformed/Calvinistic view.
AMR
Faith and eternal life is found in the Gospel and not in the philosophy of men who demand that God "chose" before the foundation of the world who He would save and who He would send into eternal damnation.
The Holy Spirit is in the world seeking to draw ALL of humanity to eternal life, which is in Christ.
Calvinism teaches that one must first be "regenerated" before they are "given" saving faith. This is placing the "Cart before the Horse." This teaching isn't Biblical by any means. This comes from the minds of men who were, no doubt prompted by Satan.
There's not a shred of truth in the Calvinist teaching on how to gain eternal life. Calvinism is basically based on a "Wait and See" mandate.
Love cannot be compelled, or it isnt love. Love has nothing to do with seeking ones own, which is what it would be if it were compelled.
You contradict yourself also, by saying that the calvinist view is free but also compelled. If you cannot reject, you cannot be free to believe.
Logically speaking, if God were to "arrange" one's heart to be regenerated before they could inherit eternal life, then, God would not allow for one to make their own "Free will choice." Therefore, in essence, He has taken a human being and transformed them into a robot/puppet of sorts. That would go against the character and intent of God Himself.
My suggestion for you Pops: "Stand up and walk back over to the drawing board and re-think your beliefs." You'll be getting some exercise , as well.
popsthebuilder
New member
My beliefs are from personal revelation and the bible, and cannot be changed by mere thought. Believe me I contemplate them nearly without ceasing.
Sent from my Z988 using Tapatalk
You're way off course Pops. find your compass.
Ask Mr. Religion
☞☞☞☞Presbyterian (PCA) 	
Gold Subscriber
LIFETIME MEMBER
Hall of Fame
Despite his rampant dispensationalism and denial of a six-day creation, the former Presbyterian could be almost correct on some matters.
"The word predestination comes from the Greek proorisos, and it literally means “to define, to mark out, to set apart.” … predestination has to do with God’s purpose with those He chooses…I cannot repeat often enough that election is God’s choosing us in Christ."
- McGee, Commentary on Ephesians, Through the Bible
Of course, Robert Pate, would consider the man as being lost, hell-bound, and sin-bent for even mentioning the word predestination as being a purpose of God.
AMR
Yea, and it is anti-Gospel, anti-Christ, anti-Bible and anti-God. And besides that, it is a first class ticket to hell.
That depends on what kind of "sounds" your mind is making? If the sounds come off as voices, then, you could have a problem.
What do you mean by "Personal Revelations?"
Ask Mr. Religion
☞☞☞☞Presbyterian (PCA) 	
Gold Subscriber
LIFETIME MEMBER
Hall of Fame
If by "tooth and nail" you mean waving off substantive responses and just giving up more opinions, never providing anything that resembles a detailed rejoinder to responses given, then you would be correct. Sigh. :AMR:
Of course, "tooth and nail" means something different to the more discerning.
AMR
Many religious people think that God speaks to them in an audible voice.
Looks like you were just found guilty of giving an "Opinion" yourself.
popsthebuilder
New member
Well, do you remember me saying I was an atheist for the majority of my life? Basically I went from adamant atheist to devout believer in a span of instantly. This wasn't my own doing but the grace and will of GOD.
I could go into detail, but I'm not certain this is the place. If I can locate a copy I sent to someone else then I can on it to you if you like.
Peace
Sent from my Z988 using Tapatalk