common sense should lead you to the same conclusion
Did Christ die for all men?
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common sense should lead you to the same conclusion
csuguy
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Because Paul wrote to YOU a personal set of letters?
It is fundamental to Jewish and Christian theology that we study what was said and written in the past concerning other people that aren't physically around anymore, and studying it to help us today. Some of it is directly applicable, other things are more abstract, and some of it may genuinely not be applicable. But you can't make that call until you sufficiently study it. If you've done this then you should be equipped to explain why something doesn't apply to you.
csuguy
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Indeed - for even with the KJV rendering there is never a divide made between the "Gospel of the uncircumcised" versus the "Gospel of the circumcised" as it renders that passage. Especially when you factor in the fact that both Paul and Peter shared the Gospel to both the circumcised and uncircumcised.
1 Cor 1:10-14 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name.
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name.
they also ended up at the same place
heir
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And? So?
heir
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What about it? It's for you, but it's not TO you.
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Acts 3:19-21 KJV does not equal Romans 5:11 KJV. Peter preached water baptism for the remission of sins (just as John the B) looking forward to the blotting out of sins! Paul preached we have NOW received the atonement.
What about it?
heir
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LOL It doesn't say "same faith". corrupted versions corrupt minds. And what are you trying to show me?
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Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
^^^^^^Those to whom Paul was first sent. They were in the promise. They had a hope.
and
Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
^^^^^^^^^^They were aliens and strangers, had no hope in time past
Both are in the one Body of Christ.
The first group gathered OUT of Israel into the Body (remnannt according to the election of grace which God foreknew (Romans 11:1-6 KJV)
The second fellowheirs and of the same Body though never having anything to do with Israel/partakers by the gospel (Ephesians 3:6 KJV).
So what is it that you think you have shown? What are you trying to prove?
heir
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Is. 53 is about the Lord Jesus Christ, you Christ rejecting blasphemer
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Why would anyone want to ask you anything when you can't see through your unbelief? 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV
You are blind as a bat.
Nothing worse than lost fake jews
heir
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All modern (per)versions attempt to change the faith OF Jesus Christ to our faith IN Christ. That doesn't help in understanding either. The KJB gets it right. There are two gospels in the one verse.
KJ Bible believers can take God's words above mans.
If this is true, you'll have no problem showing us all where Peter EVER preached the gospel of Christ as the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth and that to Gentiles. Put up or shut up.
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The Paul's stay at Corinth must have been very short if you think this is all he had to say about the gospel to the saints there. Like I said, the gospel is more than a few short sentences, for the Gospel is all the truths about God, Our Lord, man, and so on, as I noted previously.
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heir
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The gospel is declared in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV. There is more to Paul's writings than the gospel as God will have all men to be saved, AND come unto the knowledge of the truth. The knowledge of the truth is doctrine!
2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Is it any wonder Paul used the term 23 times? Timothy was to charge men that they teach no other (1 Timothy 1:3 KJV)! We are under that same charge today!
csuguy
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I've already provided such verses in my last post - go back and read it.
heir
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I read it. The gospel of Christ is not preached by Peter in Acts 10! Try again!
csuguy
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Yes it was - hence they were baptized by the Holy Spirit and made part of the Body of Christ.
1 Cor 12:12-14 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into[c] one Spirit. 14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.
Additionally, see here where Paul laments those who try to make such divisions between him and Peter (Cephas) and the like
1 Cor 1:10-15 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name.
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name.
heir
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LOL Why are you not showing us all from the scriptures where Peter preached the gospel of Christ in Acts 10? Put up or shut up.
csuguy
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I've already provided an excerpt from the passage where he was preaching - or rather the results thereof. But since you don't want to look it up for some reason - I'll post a larger excerpt for you:
Acts 10:34-46 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. 35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him. 36 The word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ—He is Lord of all— 37 that word you know, which was proclaimed throughout all Judea, and began from Galilee after the baptism which John preached: 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem, whom they[e] killed by hanging on a tree. 40 Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly, 41 not to all the people, but to witnesses chosen before by God, even to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead. 42 And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead. 43 To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.”
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.