ECT Comments from an ex-charismatic preacher

Totton Linnet

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Classic, textbook statement somebody in a cult would make, everybody else is wrong, backslidden, we're God's special creatures, God only operates within our walls. You're not making your case, quite the opposite. As expected, you find it impossible to understand that God is not a respecter of persons, that your denomination has no lease on truth or the Holy Spirit. Scripture is very clear as to this, but you don't get it, because you refuse to get it, are more enamored of your cultic religion.



And where does this come from? Who appointed you the proclaim evil to befall others? To judge others proclaiming Christ, actually, that even fundamentalists you conclude in unbelief? I've already provided scripture that forbids such judging. This is more like an angry witch, wishing to invoke a curse, and you call people you threaten so friends? You'd not be my friend. I wouldn't want to live in the same neighborhood with a headcase who concludes there is evil in store for anybody who disagrees with them. You're like those people who tell others they're going to hell, then conclude their evil remarks with, "God bless."

You'd do well to think that maybe the Holy Spirit has nothing to do with rolling around on the floor, barking like dogs, fits of laughter, phony healings, dancing or babbling, again, consider what scripture says, instead of threatening people with Benny Hinn curses.

Galatians 5

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

You should also seriously consider this proverb and admonition:

Psalms 7:15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.

Obviously, religion based on emotionalism will not lead to a person having more emotional control, either, hence anger management issues that make a person vainglorious, hateful and threatening of others that are different, which is not more spiritual.

So you are saying your denomination is marked for it's love, joy, peace, longsuffering, goodness, gentleness, meekness and temperance.

Maybe you are mistaking sleep for these attributes

I have never told anyone they are going to hell...I have a feeling you have.

Look it is quite simple, if you want to belong to a church that is asleep so far as reaching out to a lost and hurting world is concerned, that is your choice. You are quite content for the Lord to leave you alone so far as spiritual things are concerned....after all you have your own life to lead.

I don't doubt that you are saved. It always has been the way of the church actually in every age.

It doesn't matter whether America, Africa or China, if you find out where the soulwinners are, you need to get among the Pentecostals or Charismatics....just like in Wesley's day if you wanted the things of God you had to get among the Methodists
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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And these are the sorts of comments that expose what you really are. It's just cult nonsense your own words condemn you as. You think you're God's special little creatures, in essence, claiming the rest of Christendom is flawed, just like Roman Catholics and any number of cults, think you have some lease on the Holy Spirit others lack. Along with it go the usual private interpretations, none of you actually having the gift of healing the Lord Jesus manifest, no apostle of scripture a babbler or money grubber, except for Judas, as to the latter. Scripture teaching and sermons are nowhere performed in an emotional frenzy, no babbling recorded. There are no Pentecostals in the Bible, acting more as if possessed, than anything else. The stupid threats against other Christians are, in truth, rather pathetic.

I'm here to tell you God has no special denomination, and special denominations don't have the God of scripture. Your claim is, as already stated, that God is a respecter of your persons, within your walls the Holy Spirit makes special appearances, and scripture puts a the lie to that, period. You're just deluded, and the sooner you learn the whole gospel, the sooner you'll begin to learn the whole truth and stop behaving as a garden variety, brainwashed cultist. It's actually appalling vanity, arrogance and stupidity, any who would tell the entire body of other believers they're flawed.

Maybe if you read this a hundred more times it would sink in. Doubtful, but hope springs eternal.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality."

If those translations are too complex, let's try this:

Acts 10:34 Then Peter started speaking: "I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism in dealing with people."

EXCELLENT POST!
 

Totton Linnet

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It is quite easy to see how church history has gone look at a church meeting in Paul's assembly

How is it then brethren?

when ye are come together EVERY ONE OF YOU hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation, hath a revelation let all things be done unto edification [tongues and interpretations is for edification says Paul]

If any man speak in an unknown tongue let it be by two or at most three and that by course and let one interpret......

....let the prophets speak two or three and let the others judge
If anything be revealed to another sat by let the first hold his peace
For we all may prophesy one by one that all may learn and all may be comforted.

Now if we go forward a couple of hundred years we find that the meeting has changed out of all recognition to this

The "ministers" [instead of each member] now wears vestments...he is dressed like a Roman senator...the prayers are read out, everything is formal, the bread is lifted up and worshipped

Do you think the Holy Spirit will bless this? He cannot demonstrate a falsehood, He cannot authenticate a lie, He is the Spirit of truth. No WONDER then that they reported that the gifts of the Holy Spirit were dying out among them.

And it got darker and darker and darker, pretty soon they were forbidden to read the scriptures.

For MORE THAN A THOUSAND YEARS this darkness continued. But the reformation my friends as wonderful as it was, and as thankful as we are for it. It only recovered part of the truth...the most important part as far as salvation was concerned but still there was an awful long way to go to get back to the simplicity of Paul's assembly where every single member participated.
 

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We hear so much about the Body of Christ, but is it at all like the Body Paul spoke about?

To one is given by the Spirit of God the word of wisdom, to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit

To another faith by the same Spirit, to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit.

To another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the discerning of spirits, to another diversities of tongues and to another interpretation of tongues

But all these worketh that one and same Spirit dividing to every man as He will.

For as the body is one and hath many members and all the members of that one body being many are one body so also is Christ.

For by one Spirit we are baptised into one body
 

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I am fully prepared to acknowledge that even on this forum I see word of wisdom and word of knowledge....where then are the other gifts in the church? if these have not ceased why should the others have?
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Consider this verse of Scripture. 1 Corinthians 14:22 "Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe." The Apostle Paul said that.
 

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Such a fuss is made about tongues (different languages) by the Pentecostal/Charismatic, yet. Paul states, they are for the "unbelievers." Besides that, there were guidelines set down when tongues were active. Such as: 1 Corinthians 14:27 "If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. Do the Pentecostals abide by those rules? All we hear today is a bunch of gibberish, not other languages.
 
Such a fuss is made about tongues (different languages) by the Pentecostal/Charismatic, yet. Paul states, they are for the "unbelievers." Besides that, there were guidelines set down when tongues were active. Such as: 1 Corinthians 14:27 "If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. Do the Pentecostals abide by those rules? All we hear today is a bunch of gibberish, not other languages.

They call themselves Pentecostals. Well, the tongues of Pentecost were not even babble, rather real, known languages, the miracle they were being spoken to foreigners standing around by Galilaeans who did not know the native languages of those foreigners, and speaking of things they understood, of the wonderful works of God, in their native tongues:

Acts 2

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

No phony babbling, that sounds like you'd have to conclude infants in diapers are filled with the Spirit, until, what, they're backslidden enough to learn intelligible speech? And it would never occur to these people that you can stick a parrot in a room, keep saying, "Polly want a cracker?", and the parrot will, eventually, be, likewise, saying, "Polly want a cracker." It's not the Holy Spirit come over the parrot.

There's a classic book about the history of the delusions of crowds and its madness. You get some emotional hysteria going in the room, and it's monkey see, monkey do, proven by the absurdities of "holy laughter" and dog barking, the whole room worked into a frenzy of behavior that's sheer stupidity, beyond comprehension of being even the behavior of any intelligent human being, and claiming it's the Spirit, but the whole room going at it, in what amounts to a shameful and embarrassing spectacle of nothing more than disorderly behavior, void of anything spiritual. As you point out, there are recordings of it all on YouTube, just ghastly stuff of no spiritual edification, rather even bringing the faith into ridicule, proof to the everybody in the world, of half a brain, that Christians are idiots and crazy. It doesn't even take spiritual discernment to see the phoniness of it all. And it has nothing to do with Christianity.
 
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