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jgarden

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No one believed in a flat earth.

Columbus left Spain and headed west for the East Indies because he knew the world was round.

Yes they were geocentrists, but no one believed in a flat earth.

Geocentrism is not synonymous with "flat earth"
Flat Earth Theory
December 28, 2009

The flat Earth theory was believed by many cultures around the world including Ancient Egyptian and Babylonian cultures as well as China up to the last few hundred years. The flat Earth theory states that the world is a flat disk rather than a sphere. As early as the fourth century B.C. however, philosophers and scientists realized that the Earth was actually a sphere. Aristotle was one Greek philosopher who advocated that Earth was a sphere. This debate has raged on in many cultures throughout the centuries.

..... Many people who believe in the flat Earth theory turn to the Bible in order to back up their theory. They quote various passages in order to back up their theories and interpret certain passages literally.

http://www.universetoday.com/48753/flat-earth-theory/
"Flat earth" and "geocentric" are not related, but without and a basic understanding of "gravity, it was difficult for those who believed that it was a sphere to explain why objects remained on the earth's surface.
 

tetelestai

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(Zoo challenges tet to show him the "Ice age" textbook)

Please show me a website where I can view the contents of 1970's grade school science books, and I will show they predicted an ice age.

(tet switches to a magazine)

A science magazine published by scientists in 1975 who stated that an Ice Age was coming.
 

The Barbarian

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A science magazine published by scientists in 1975 who stated that an Ice Age was coming.

If you believe that, you're dumber than you appear to be. Those "science magazines" printed on newsprint, hired writers to read science and write about it. No real scientist wrote those things.

It should be a wake-up call for you, that the only stuff that supports your ideas of an impending ice age, are articles written by non-scientists.

As you learned, even in the 70s, the majority of climatologists thought that warming was on the way.

CLIMATE CHANGE: ARE WE ON THE BRINK OF A PRONOUNCED GLOBAL WARMING?
W.S.Broecker
Science 189 (1975): 460-463
If man-made dust is unimportant as a major cause of climatic change, then strong case can be made thata the present cooling trend will, within a decade or so, give way to a pronounced warming induced by carbon dioxide. By analogy with similar events in the past, the natural climatic cooling which, since 1940, has more than compensated for the carbon dioxide effect, will soon bottom out. Once this happens, the exponential rise in the atmospheric carbon dioxide content will tend to become a significant factor and by early in the next century will have driven the mean planetary temperature beyond the limits experienced during the last 1000 years.


Science, as you might know, is one of the world's premier scientific journals, peer-reviewed and very difficult in which to publish. Compare to your newsprint "school science magazine" not even written by scientists. Notice that a real scientist got it right, and his predictions were spot on.

Models, you know. There's lots more. How much more do you want to see?
 

tetelestai

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It should be a wake-up call for you, that the only stuff that supports your ideas of an impending ice age, are articles written by non-scientists.

I showed you a video of climatologist Dr. Stephen Schneider from 1978 saying an ice age is coming.
 

tetelestai

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Science, as you might know, is one of the world's premier scientific journals, peer-reviewed and very difficult in which to publish.

"Sceince" magazine published a FAKE photo of a polar bear

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Where was the "peer review" for the FAKE photo?
 

gcthomas

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"Sceince" magazine published a FAKE photo of a polar bear

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Where was the "peer review" for the FAKE photo?

The image was not part of a peer reviewed paper, but was a general illustration for that issue.

Don't you get tired fertilising the same crackpot plants with this effluent, time after time?
 

tetelestai

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The image was not part of a peer reviewed paper, but was a general illustration for that issue.

So your claiming they knew it was a fake picture before the published it?

How could it be a "general illustration" if it was fake. If what is portrayed in the picture was really happening, don't you think there would be some real pictures?

You guys are unbelievable. The HOAX supporters use fake pictures, change historical data, manipulate charts and graphs......and you guys keep defending their actions.
 

tetelestai

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Another book from 1976:

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Inside the book we find:

"A handful of scientists denied evidence that Earth’s climate was cooling until the 1970s, when bizarre weather throughout the world forced them to reconsider their views.”
 

tetelestai

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Another book from 1977:

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Let's look again what it says on the back cover:

"Northern hemisphere temperatures have been falling steadily since the 1940s. Glaciers are advancing once again. Scientists no longer debate the coming of a new ice age: the question now is when?”
 

tetelestai

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From the back book cover in the previous post:

"Scientists no longer debate the coming of a new ice age: the question now is when?"

Sound familiar?

"Scientists no longer debate".........it sounds very familiar.
 

gcthomas

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So your claiming they knew it was a fake picture before the published it?

How could it be a "general illustration" if it was fake. If what is portrayed in the picture was really happening, don't you think there would be some real pictures?

You guys are unbelievable. The HOAX supporters use fake pictures, change historical data, manipulate charts and graphs......and you guys keep defending their actions.

Which peer reviewed paper do you think the picture was part of?
 

The Barbarian

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It's always the same thing. Show him the evidence, and he says that scientists are lying, or that they used electronic files, or that he's got a paperback book that says the glaciers are coming, or whatever.

It's why they call those guys "deniers."
 

tetelestai

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Ok Zoo.

I found a science book from the 1970's for kids that I remember reading.

It was published in 1976 by Franklin Watts Books, and written by Henry Gilfond.

It was distributed to grade schools throughout the USA in the 70's


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tetelestai

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We're still waiting for the research that shows that climate scientists have changed their minds....

I showed you a video of climatologist Dr. Stephen Schneider.

He changed his mind

He was pro-Ice Age in 1978, and then pro-Global Warming in 2008
 

The Barbarian

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gcthomas asks tet:
Which peer reviewed paper do you think the picture was part of?

Remember he thinks the back cover of a paperback book is peer-reviewed literature. So it's not surprising that he'd be impressed by a picture, and completely lost when presented by data (which the letter in question did cite).
 

gcthomas

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I showed you a video of climatologist Dr. Stephen Schneider.

He changed his mind

He was pro-Ice Age in 1978, and then pro-Global Warming in 2008

You claimed 'scientists' had changed their minds, and you have been show evidence that the consensus hasn't actually changed.

Finding one scientist who had changed his mind in the face of the overwhelming evidence is evidence for what, exactly?
 
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