When have I defended him? Show me a quote. I told you that you need to stop provoking him. That's what you're doing with the "Jesus Camp" and "Mr. Phelps" comments. If you don't stop, I will ban you for three days.
Christian Kids in the Public School
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When have I defended him? Show me a quote. I told you that you need to stop provoking him. That's what you're doing with the "Jesus Camp" and "Mr. Phelps" comments. If you don't stop, I will ban you for three days.
Interesting...
Provoking and name-calling is okay, so long as it comes from one side.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Neither you and I approve of what Yorzhik did, but why react in kind?
I will tell you exactly what I said in the PM. I let you have a huge pass with your comment about Yorzhik's daughter and prostitution. Last warning, now (because you're bent on provoking me now). Stop!
The public schools hate Jesus Christ.
First, I would say that you need to provide evidence that Jesus Christ is NOT hated. But if you insist on evidence that governemnt schools are godless, secular and humanistic in their instruction, and their main goal in to upsurp parental authority and indoctrinate children with socialism, here you go:
Here are some non-Christian quotes from leading educators and humanists that not only prove the government tries to completely usurp all parental authority while the children are being indoctrinated with a secular-humanistic worldview, but that the Public Schools Teach Socialism:
In 1936, the National Education Association stated its position, from which they have never wavered; “We stand for socializing the individual.”
“The major problem of education in our times arises out of the fact that we live in a period of fundamental social change. In the new democracy [we were a Republic] education must share in the responsibility of giving purpose and direction to social change. The major function of the school is the social orientation of the individual . Education must operate according to a well-formulated social policy.” - The NEA, Policy For American Education
“The schools cannot allow parents to influence the kind of values-education their children receive in school; . that is what is wrong with those who say there is a universal system of values. [Christians?] Our (humanistic) goals are incompatible with theirs. We must change their values.” - Paul Haubner, specialist for the NEA
“Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our Founding Fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It's up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well -- by creating the international child of the future.” - Professor Chester M. Pierce, M.D., Professor of Education and Psychiatry at Harvard
“The fundamentalist parents have no right to indoctrinate their children in their beliefs. We are preparing their children for the year 2000 and life in a global one-world society and those children will not fit in.” - Former Senator Paul Hoagland of Nebraska
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Quotes from Humanists:
“Education is a social process. Education is growth. Education is, not a preparation for life; education is life itself.”
“You can't make socialists out of individualists. Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society which is coming, where everyone is interdependent.” - John Dewey, signer of the Humanist Manifesto, 1933
"Education is thus a most powerful ally of humanism, and every American school is a school of humanism. What can a theistic Sunday school's meeting for an hour once a week and teaching only a fraction of the children do to stem the tide of the five-day program of humanistic teaching?" - Charles F. Potter, Humanism: A New Religion, 1930
"Public education is the parochial education for scientific humanism." - Joe R. Burnett, the editor of The Humanist Magazine in 1961
“I think that the most important factor moving us toward a secular society has been the educational factor. Our schools may not teach Johnny how to read properly, but the fact that Johnny is in school until he is 16 tends toward the elimination of religious superstition. The average American child now acquires a high school education, and this militates against Adam and Eve and all other myths of alleged history.” - P. Blanchard, The Humanist, 1983
"The battle for humankind's future must be waged and won in the public school classroom by teachers who correctly perceive their role as the proselytizers of a new faith: A religion of humanity -- utilizing a classroom instead of a pulpit to carry humanist values into wherever they teach. The classroom must and will become an arena of conflict between the old and the new -- the rotting corpse of Christianity, together with its adjacent evils and misery, and the new faith of humanism." - John J. Dunphy, The Humanist, 1983
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Quote from God:
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge and have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children. " - Hosea 4:6
JUDGMENT WILL COME TO THOSE WHO REJECT GOD & SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO A HUMANISTIC, BUREAUCRATIC DAYCARE CENTER TO BE EDUCATED!!!
First, I would say that you need to provide evidence that Jesus Christ is NOT hated. But if you insist on evidence that governemnt schools are godless, secular and humanistic in their instruction, and their main goal in to upsurp parental authority and indoctrinate children with socialism, here you go:
Here are some non-Christian quotes from leading educators and humanists that not only prove the government tries to completely usurp all parental authority while the children are being indoctrinated with a secular-humanistic worldview, but that the Public Schools Teach Socialism:
In 1936, the National Education Association stated its position, from which they have never wavered; “We stand for socializing the individual.”
“The major problem of education in our times arises out of the fact that we live in a period of fundamental social change. In the new democracy [we were a Republic] education must share in the responsibility of giving purpose and direction to social change. The major function of the school is the social orientation of the individual . Education must operate according to a well-formulated social policy.” - The NEA, Policy For American Education
“The schools cannot allow parents to influence the kind of values-education their children receive in school; . that is what is wrong with those who say there is a universal system of values. [Christians?] Our (humanistic) goals are incompatible with theirs. We must change their values.” - Paul Haubner, specialist for the NEA
“Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our Founding Fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It's up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well -- by creating the international child of the future.” - Professor Chester M. Pierce, M.D., Professor of Education and Psychiatry at Harvard
“The fundamentalist parents have no right to indoctrinate their children in their beliefs. We are preparing their children for the year 2000 and life in a global one-world society and those children will not fit in.” - Former Senator Paul Hoagland of Nebraska
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Quotes from Humanists:
“Education is a social process. Education is growth. Education is, not a preparation for life; education is life itself.”
“You can't make socialists out of individualists. Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society which is coming, where everyone is interdependent.” - John Dewey, signer of the Humanist Manifesto, 1933
"Education is thus a most powerful ally of humanism, and every American school is a school of humanism. What can a theistic Sunday school's meeting for an hour once a week and teaching only a fraction of the children do to stem the tide of the five-day program of humanistic teaching?" - Charles F. Potter, Humanism: A New Religion, 1930
"Public education is the parochial education for scientific humanism." - Joe R. Burnett, the editor of The Humanist Magazine in 1961
“I think that the most important factor moving us toward a secular society has been the educational factor. Our schools may not teach Johnny how to read properly, but the fact that Johnny is in school until he is 16 tends toward the elimination of religious superstition. The average American child now acquires a high school education, and this militates against Adam and Eve and all other myths of alleged history.” - P. Blanchard, The Humanist, 1983
"The battle for humankind's future must be waged and won in the public school classroom by teachers who correctly perceive their role as the proselytizers of a new faith: A religion of humanity -- utilizing a classroom instead of a pulpit to carry humanist values into wherever they teach. The classroom must and will become an arena of conflict between the old and the new -- the rotting corpse of Christianity, together with its adjacent evils and misery, and the new faith of humanism." - John J. Dunphy, The Humanist, 1983
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Quote from God:
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge and have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children. " - Hosea 4:6
JUDGMENT WILL COME TO THOSE WHO REJECT GOD & SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO A HUMANISTIC, BUREAUCRATIC DAYCARE CENTER TO BE EDUCATED!!!
No, but the fact that you take that position tells us a great deal about your motivation. When you make an assertion, it is up to you to prove it.
Hmmm... socializing children is not hating God. Indeed, one of the benefits of school is that the child learns to get along with others. You surely can't be serious that this is "hating God."
Sorry, nothing at all about hating God there, either. Is it possible you have a unique idea of what "God" means?
Um, not even an administrator or a spokesman for schools. And I notice that you edited his words and inserted some to change the meaning. And again, it doesn't say anything to indicate hatred of God.
So you've found some person who thinks that belief is sick. But he's not even part of the public school system. Do you have any evidence at all?
Um, do you have any evidence that public school systems "hate God?"
How, exactly, does this indicate hatred for God?
How does this indicate hatred of God?
And another atheist, but apprently not even part of a public school system. Do you have any evidence that public schools "hate God?"
No school board members, no teachers, not administrators at all? Why should we believe you, then?
(more of the same)
Can you give me even one example of someone who actually sets policy in a public school system, making it "hate God?" Even one?
More documented FACTS for Barbarian that public schools hate Truth and morality, pervert the minds of our youth with homosexual propaganda, and are humanistic and completely Godless:
=>Indoctrinating Children With Secular Humanism
=> Government Agrees to Mandatory Homosexual Curriculum with No Opt-Out for Students or Parents
=> Sex Education & Public School Porn
=> Same-Sex Marriage and the School Curriculum
=> Pagan Religions Taught in Public School
=> Sex, Drugs, and Delinquency in Urban and Suburban Public Schools
=> The New Show and Tell: How Homosexuality Is Being Promoted In The Classroom
=> Public Schools & Cultural Marxism
Hopefully that will get you started. If you need more FACTS, let me know. But please don't continue to be willfully ignorant of theTRUTH about public schools.
=>Indoctrinating Children With Secular Humanism
=> Government Agrees to Mandatory Homosexual Curriculum with No Opt-Out for Students or Parents
=> Sex Education & Public School Porn
=> Same-Sex Marriage and the School Curriculum
=> Pagan Religions Taught in Public School
=> Sex, Drugs, and Delinquency in Urban and Suburban Public Schools
=> The New Show and Tell: How Homosexuality Is Being Promoted In The Classroom
=> Public Schools & Cultural Marxism
Hopefully that will get you started. If you need more FACTS, let me know. But please don't continue to be willfully ignorant of theTRUTH about public schools.
I just moved this thread from the "religion" forum to the "homeschooling" forum.
If you are really that dense and can't see the obvious, then you are a lost cause! :loser:
Humanism is the epitome of hating God - don't you know anything? Let me guess, you went to public school.
Sorry about taking so long to reply to this. It kinda got lost in the chaos....
Some of the other issues seems to have a lot to do with funding (cirriculum, facilities, even the teacher situation). I can't say much about this though because I have no idea what kind of cirriculum and facilities most schools have. I have no doubt they need updating though.
Just curious, do you like No Child Left Behind? Personally I think it does more damage than good.
Several good points. I completely agree about the student-teacher ratio. The more attention students can get the better the education will be. I also agree about teaching to the averages. It's just like what we were talking about with Nori and :jessilu:. Exceptional students can get neglected and every public school needs to be able to accomodate and recognize those children.Yup. But I'll make it short and come back, because I could go on a lot, and I'm procrastinating on some work I should be doing
1) Public schools are overcrowded. Classrooms should be smaller and have a much lower student to teacher ratio. I should have added that as a reason I think that homeshooled kids get a better education. Particularly at a younger age, the better the teacher student ratio, the better the education will be.
2) The quality of teaching is not what it should be. Because of incentive and work-environment, we have a lower quality of teachers than we should. The better teachers often move to private schools (though many private schools actually do have lower salaries, the work condition is usually much better). But I'll say in contrast to this, that there are a lot of very good teachers who teach because they believe in it's value, in lieu of taking other jobs, and I commend all of those people. I know a fair amount of teachers, and the ones I know that teach at public schools are among the most committed people I know.
3) Public school tends to under-teach. It's geared towards an average, rather than focusing on different children's abilities and levels. The most obvious example is that gifted or highly intelligent students are often held back from what they can accomplish. They get lost in the shuffle. But this extends to children besides gifted children. Children aren't averages... Each has their gifts, and generally, public schools aren't set up to deal with that. Those gifts shouldn't be lost. Everyone should learn the basics. Readin, ritin, rithmatic. But some kids are better at other things than other kids, and far too often, those things never have a chance to emerge.
4) Facilities, etc. Our public schools should be supersonic laboratories where kids always have access to the best. Most public schools use outdated books and equipment. Most public schools are dusty, beaten, depressing institutions. Mills. Pale blue and green walls, wall clocks ticking the minutes away.
5) Curriculum at most public schools is completely outdated. The system needs an upgrade. We know a lot more about teaching and how kids learn than we did 80 years ago, but we still use the same curriculum. Again, it's geared toward the average.
6) Parent's involvement is really important. For the schools and for the kids. I don't think that parents are as involved as they should be.
I have to go but I'll come back later and blather more.
Some of the other issues seems to have a lot to do with funding (cirriculum, facilities, even the teacher situation). I can't say much about this though because I have no idea what kind of cirriculum and facilities most schools have. I have no doubt they need updating though.
I'm with you on this. I can understand parents who want to homeschool their children for this reason. It's other things that get me upset about the public vs. homeschool debate. I do agree with you about teaching religions in school though (secondary school that is).
Just curious, do you like No Child Left Behind? Personally I think it does more damage than good.
In Indiana (I don't know about other states), if we utilize public education, we have to pay a yearly rental fee for the curriculum. When :jessilu: was in the fourth grade, the cost was $125 a year for curriculum and $125 a year for computer rental.
You mean the No Child Gets Ahead program? :chuckle:
You mean, No Child Left with a Mind?
No, that's not the one. :nono:
Oh my! I'm all that? Although it is true I am a "vile hater". I don't like "vile" too much. You must be a prophet!
You really need to add some more creativity to your posts. Tell you what, why don't you ask your kids for some ideas? And if your next posts are better, I'll give them an award!
Well, it's off to the cemetery. It is memorial day after all.
Barbarian asks one more time:
Can you give me even one example of someone who actually sets policy in a public school system, making it "hate God?" Even one?
You can't, um? Neither can anyone else. That alone should be a tip-off for you.
The Humanists were Christians, who sought to reform the medieval church. They provided the intellectual and spiritual basis for the Protestant and Catholic reformations. Both Protestants and Catholics respected them. Perhaps you're thinking of "secular humanists", an oxymoron.
"There can be no humanism without the Gospels." - Karl Barth, the great German Protestant theologian.
I know a few things you don't. And you "know" some things that aren't true. It's curable. Come and see.
You bet. And I beat out a lot of private school students to get in a very nice college, thank you. I went to a private university for my post-graduate work. Does that count?
Can you give me even one example of someone who actually sets policy in a public school system, making it "hate God?" Even one?
You can't, um? Neither can anyone else. That alone should be a tip-off for you.
The Humanists were Christians, who sought to reform the medieval church. They provided the intellectual and spiritual basis for the Protestant and Catholic reformations. Both Protestants and Catholics respected them. Perhaps you're thinking of "secular humanists", an oxymoron.
"There can be no humanism without the Gospels." - Karl Barth, the great German Protestant theologian.
I know a few things you don't. And you "know" some things that aren't true. It's curable. Come and see.
You bet. And I beat out a lot of private school students to get in a very nice college, thank you. I went to a private university for my post-graduate work. Does that count?
No no no... provoking and name-calling is okay as long as it's justified.
For instance, when a documented hypocrite and crude joker is unrepentant, then provoking and name-calling is not only okay, but called for by God's Word.
So. Let's get back on track. I'll stop asking the relevant question of what your kids know of joint rolling and condoms if you can answer the following question: Do you think judging is wrong?
Beyond the mountain of anecdotal evidence that ought to be enough to make one look deeper, the policy is that public school as a government endeavor is legitimate.
From Wikipedia:
Public education often involves the following:
1. compulsory student attendance (until a certain age or standard is achieved);
2. certification of teachers and curricula, either by the government or by a teachers' organization;
3. testing and standards provided by government.
Of these, the last 2 insure that the government approved view is taught, and the first one assures that the government view will be taught. Although in our system the first one is only mostly assured because of stealing, it is almost as effective.
So the next question is, what is the government view? I'll ask what you think it is first.