lifeisgood
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Don't know where he said that so cannot comment on it.
Calvinism: You Must Already be Saved to Get Saved?
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Don't know where he said that so cannot comment on it.
God's Truth
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I know what Robert said and you are the one who joined in and commented on something I said to him.
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God did not nail obedience to the cross. And why would you think James and Peter would think Jesus died in vain? They are the ones who straighten out people for thinking that is what Paul teaches. Peter says people are insane and ignorant, and James says they are fools.
The law was nailed to the cross. The law is the very nature and character of God. Jesus is the law of God incarnate in human flesh. The Jews took the law and the ordinances and came up with over 600 laws and rules to follow. Which is the Torah. The reason that the law was nailed to the cross was because it was contrary to us, no one can keep it or do it, Colossians 2:14. To be under the law or to be subject to the law is to be under a curse, Galatians 3:10. To be under the law or to be subject to the law is to be judged by the law and condemned.
lifeisgood
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Absolutely He did. But again, it will go over your head.
No, James and Peter did not think Jesus died in vain. You think that, because you keep on saying that YOU, gt, have TO DO something to be SAVED.
And they are right, and you, gt, should listen to them.
lifeisgood
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You will have to do better than that.
Possibly, could this be your mere opinion on the matter?
Repent and get your name in the book (Mk 1:15). Don't stab Jesus in the back and keep your name in the book (Heb 10:26, Re 3:5). :idunno:
God's Truth
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Maybe you need to do better and research it then instead of giving your mere opinion.
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Notice you did not address anything that I said.
God did NOT nail obeying to the cross.
Notice too that you refuse to answer what I asked you.
What was it for that PETER SAYS people misunderstand Paul?
You know that the answer destroys your teachings.
God's Truth
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No, God did not nail Jesus’ words to the cross and He did not nail our having to obey Him to the cross.
It doesn’t get much more ludicrous than that, to suggest Jesus came and taught things and tells us to obey---but then God nullified it all when Jesus was crucified.
Hahahahahahahahaha It is my saying what God and Jesus says we have to do.
Why won’t you answer the question? Tell us what it is about, what is it that Peter was referring to when he says people misunderstand Paul? Answering that question will destroy your teachings. That is why that question is avoided by faith aloners.
lifeisgood
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Be more specific please. Thank you.
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Okay. Peter in 2 Peter 3 tells us that people misunderstand Paul. Tell me what it was specifically in Chapter 3 that people misunderstand Paul about.
lifeisgood
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Reading in context Peter is warning not to believe everything you hear about the Lord taking too long in returning. Scoffers simply did not accept that Paul was saying that Jesus Christ is going to return because so much time has passed and He has not returned yet.
Scoffers/sneers ALWAYS scoff at God’s Word. They WILLFULLY reject God's Word.
They (the scoffers/sneers = rejecters of Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary) want to do whatever they want and NOT what the Word says; therefore, scoffers twist God's Word.
Scoffers/sneers not only have an intellectual problem but also a moral problem with God’s Word and scoffers/sneers reject the Word making their own way of salvation. Scoffers say, 'Paul can't possibly be right that Jesus Christ is going to return. Look how long has passed and Jesus Christ still has not returned.' [I hear this all the time from some people I know personally or indirectly.]
There will be scoffers/sneers in the last days, under the gospel, men who make light of sin, and mock Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work at the Cross of Calvary to be saved.
Scoffers/sneers produce their own way of salvation rejecting what is clearly written in God's Word.
Scoffers/sneers twist what Paul is saying about the return of the Lord because what Paul says does not fit with what scoffers/sneers, want.
Psalm 55:19 -- “What he never has done, they fancy he never can do, or never will do”. (2 Peter 3:5-10)
Conclusion: In this chapter Peter is saying that scoffers/sneers reject Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary and all that it entails.
Good post. There are a lot of scoffers on the Forum. GT is one of them, he does not believe, Romans 3:23.
beloved57
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You are one of those scoffers. You reject the Saving death of Christ!
Salvation is a two way street. God provides and we receive. If you don't receive, it is not yours.
beloved57
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False comments not found in scripture. You scoff at the Saving Death of Christ, saying sinners He shed His Blood for are unredeemed and lost !
God's Truth
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All fall short is right. All need Jesus to save them is right. Whether you are Jew or Gentile we all fall short. How do you ever get that means you do not have to take instructions from Jesus on how to get saved?
The only instructions that Jesus gives us to be saved is to believe on him, John 3:18.
All of commandments are to show you that you don't measure up to God's standards.
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You did more than the other faith alone preachers, at least you tried to answer the question. I was hoping though that you would not try to defer from the obvious message, but you did.
Read this scripture and tell me you don't get that the scoffers are sinning:
3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
Now read this scripture:
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
That scripture says God has not come yet because he wants everyone to come to repentance. Repentance is asking for forgiveness of those sinful things the scripture 3 says they were doing.
Read this next scripture where Peter says to live holy lives. That is about not doing sins as always.
11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives
Now read 14 and 15, Peter spoke of sinners, their not repenting of their sins, he then speaks of making sure the believers that are there are living sinless lives...Now here it comes---JUST AS Paul writes about!
14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.
This next scripture is where Peter tells the people that Paul speaks in all his letters...about what?...about OBEYING. Then he says that ignorant and unstable people distort.
16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Did you read that?...to their own destruction, their own destruction because they misunderstand Paul...misunderstand Paul about what?...misunderstand Paul about what Peter was talking about---OBEYING. They misunderstand what Paul says about obeying. THEN PETER WARNS us to what?---to OBEY!
17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
Don't be carried away by the error of what kind of people?---LAWLESS people. What do faith alone people teach? They teach that Paul says we only have faith!