I'm not any kind of expert in this area of one spending eternal life in heaven, etc.
Are you confusing the New Jerusalem coming down with only a 1000 year millennium?
ECT The whole of the NT explains how salvation is obtained
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Are you confusing the New Jerusalem coming down with only a 1000 year millennium?
I have no idea where it is.
What did Jesus mean when He was talking about heaven all the time?
He kept saying that Father God dwelled there.
Actually, there are three heavens. There is the earth's atmosphere, there is the heaven beyond the earth's atmosphere, and there is the third heaven where the Father, the Son, and angels are.
The third heaven is the spiritual dimension surrounding the earth. If Jesus was standing beside you, you wouldn't see him or know he was there unless he manifested himself in physical form.
achduke
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At the end of the age in revelation it talks about first a new earth and a new heaven. Then New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven. Then it talks of God dwelling with his people in New Jerusalem.
Yes, I know that ... but what I don't know is:
Why have you derailed the content and purpose of the OP?
In the OP the statement was made "that ANY human could ever be received into heaven by a most Holy God."
My question was what and where is this "heaven" the OP referred to. You evidently don't know or you would have explained it.
Truly sorry that you don't care for the content of the OP,
so you are seeking to put the focus on a very minor unimportant issue.
No problem ... see it all the time.
Me too. People make assertions and suppositions they can't substantiate such as going to heaven, an immortal soul and stuff like that. You're not alone.
beloved57
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This is Salvation by works message, by man doing something to get saved and to stay saved !
Those Christ died for are saved from the penalty of their sins and reconciled to God even while they are enemies/unbelievers Rom 5:10 !
A most hearty welcome! to my current favorite warning verse:
“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God … (1 John 3:10)
What are you going to do with NT verses such as this one?
Since you don't believe in practicing righteousness,
you could always fess up to admitting that you are a child of the devil. Dah.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, for those who hate Paul and his writings ...
I have a trinity of comments:
-- you can add John (above) to your hate list
-- Paul was much more tactful with his warnings than was Jesus
-- Paul taught the same gospel, etc. as Jesus (before his ministry took off,
Paul was taught by Jesus in the Spirit in the desert regions for 17 years)
beloved57
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Rabbit trail and invalid comments!
Please, no need to panic and get all crazy!
Just practice righteousness and you'll be A-OK.
And don't forget to obey Jesus' commandments
... because He said (several times) that ...
If thou dost love Him, thou willst do this!
However, children of the devil do not do this.
Gee, they must be the tares Jesus was talking about.
But, He said, "No problem, leave 'em alone ...
they'll be weeded out and tossed into da fire later!"
Meanwhile, back at the ranch ...
all of those incredibly wonderful explanations of who the elect are
in Ephesians and Colossians ... were written ONLY to the "faithful" saints!
The faithful saints are those believers who ... ... ...
aw, you get the picture, don't you.
beloved57
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Rabbit trail!
Interplanner
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??? It is one of the most identifiable doctrines of Christian faith--that the person who believes the Gospel wishes to honor God in his life. One of the messianic psalms says "Your people will volunteer freely in the day of your power." When you see harsh, insincere followers, it is because they don't have the Spirit at work in them and don't really want to. They may want to look right but it collapses under real questions.
We might draw upon a scene of old cerebral Doc Martin here, who is a very good surgeon, but doesn't care about people at all. His lack of care has worn out the one woman he wants to love and marry one too many times, and she's dropped him. However, a friend visiting Louisa needs urgent help, so Martin is called and puts on a display of being concerned about the injured friend.
Louisa: Martin, it's not enough to do good things just to look right. You've got to want to.
Doc Martin (frustrated): Why?
Obviously, Louisa is not attracted to a person who can't see this.
In the same way, there is no true Christian life when a person doesn't want to from within.
heir
TOL Subscriber
Romans 3:10 KJV Now what are you going to do?
Romans 3:21-22 KJV You need the righteousness of God! Notice who it is unto and how it is upon!
beloved57
Well-known member
Rabbit trail!
Romans 3:10 KJV
This refers to before Christianity offered the only way to eternal life.
Doesn't the following passage prove that?
Romans 3:21-22 KJV
This original imputed righteousness is great, but it obviously must be maintained.
Interplanner
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That's a pretty dull understanding. He who is forgiven much loves much. When you don't think you were forgiven much, you don't love.
Or look at the guy in Mt 18's parable of the unforgiving steward. He thought everything was about paying a debt back to God. He couldn't forgive because he himself still thought he was on a payment plan with God.
If you don't understand the romantic parallel, no matter. But the woman involved was saying she didn't want a 'show' or 'display' of care. She wanted him to actually care. God does not make 'display' Christians; he makes actually caring ones.
I'm sure you know you're NT well enough to know that there was a group of people who were strictly on the 'display' or 'show' level.
beloved57
Well-known member
I don't know what you talking about!
And that says it all.