The Slaying of Reformed Theology (Calvinism)

Tambora said:

Nope.
It is no different than your insults to others, while telling them they shouldn't be insulting.

Most of what GT condemns of others, she does herself.

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Evil.Eye.<(I)> said:

[MENTION=14521]God's Truth[/MENTION],

If the claws come out, I'm not responsible. I merely can suggest we focus on task at hand. We are all guilty of being harsh. This is my stance as moderator of this OP.

I directed the "Please No In Fighting" at Tambora because I know she comes out swinging and understands the concept of "water off a ducks back".

When we in fight, we divide and stand alone. But, ahem ..it happens.

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God's Truth said:

I am not guilty.

Please do not drag me back in to getting insulted, even by you.

I have condemned no one as Tambora has claimed, and I was not even going to respond to that, except that you wanted to address me instead of the culprit.

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Evil.Eye.<(I)> said:

I forgot to address it to both of you. And I understand. I edited it to denote addressing you both.

As for me. I perpetually have to fight the urge to unleash Metric Tons of Humorous sarcasm when people don't give logical, legitimate or Scriptural replies.

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steko said:

opcorn:

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God's Truth said:

I don't think you fully get it. You do not need to address to me when I have done nothing wrong and I am not guilty of what you accuse me of doing.

I am ignoring Tambora and her insults, and am not sure why you are going against what you asked us all to do and that is to only speak of the Op.

Can we move on?

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God's Truth said:

I don't think you fully get it. You do not need to address to me when I have done nothing wrong and I am not guilty of what you accuse me of doing.

I am ignoring Tambora and her insults, and am not sure why you are going against what you asked us all to do and that is to only speak of the Op.

Can we move on?

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Evil.Eye.<(I)> said:

The OP remains scripturally uncontested by the Calvinists but is full of interesting and exciting dialogue.

# Fact

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Evil.Eye.<(I)> said:

Paging @Tambora

If you would be kind enough to lend an assist:

How should I articulate that the Calvinists arguments against the OP were without substance or scriptural defense in such a manner that it appears that they are bucking a scriptural challenge due to lack of ability or supporting grounds?

I will not accept their whining as substance of OP rebuttal and want to verbally put the screws to the matter.

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God's Truth said:

There are many here who do not like it that we have so much agreement and they want to see that not happen.

I have debated Calvinists much and they usually never debate long or admit to error.

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God's Truth said:

What Calvinism comes down to is that their false teachings are all based on God saving unbelievers.

However, they can give no scripture that says that.

God saves believers.

God does not save unbelievers.

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Tambora said:

What works in one situation may not work as well in another.
It's not really a standard either/or method (as if there is only one way to do it).

You could pick a doctrine in order to tell what's wrong with it, or you could just give your doctrine and why you think it's right.
You could debate Calvin doctrine without even mentioning that it is Calvin doctrine.
Just start by asking, "Does scripture gives credence that not everyone has the means to know GOD and His grace?"
Don't have to mention Calvin, Reformed, or any other particular doctrine name.

But by starting with, "Does scripture gives credence that not everyone has the means to know GOD and His grace, like Calvinists teach?"
Now you've made it a call out thread.
If you took the time to go through every post in thread and eliminate every unnecessary comment to the topic, this thread would be much shorter (as would most other threads as well).

TOL even has a forum for threads where people can get a little more down and dirty (so to speak). The Back Alley.
Personally, I think it would be great if all call out threads were moved to there.

But this ain't my site, and is not run by my rules.
As reminder, everyone that joins has to agree with the TOL rules.
And here is part of the rules everyone agreed to when they joined:

You do not have the right to NOT be offended on these forums. We have a diverse group of members and we do not control the things they post (within reason) including things that might offend you.

TOL also states upfront that it is biased, and makes no apology for it.

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Evil.Eye.<(I)> said:

But, now I am adding a full blown, Trinitarian group to the list.

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Evil.Eye.<(I)> said:

I have enormous experience in assisting people with being freed from human doctrine.

Before the last 2 weeks, Normons, Eleventh Day Adventist's and Blaboba Witnesses were at the top of my list as being enormously difficult to reason with.

# Blind to the bull within the matter... so to speak.

But, now I am adding a full blown, Trinitarian group to the list.

BW's don't know Jesus is God
Eleventh Day Adventists minimize the Divinity of Jesus
Norman's think they'll be God's
And now "Walvinist's" treat doctrines of men like they are god's

# Names skewed to protect the guilty


Now I'm adding

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Tambora said:

Where do you find Calvinism teaching that GOD saves unbelievers?

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Tambora said:

What works in one situation may not work as well in another.
It's not really a standard either/or method (as if there is only one way to do it).

You could pick a doctrine in order to tell what's wrong with it, or you could just give your doctrine and why you think it's right.
You could debate Calvin doctrine without even mentioning that it is Calvin doctrine.
Just start by asking, "Does scripture gives credence that not everyone has the means to know GOD and His grace?"
Don't have to mention Calvin, Reformed, or any other particular doctrine name.

But by starting with, "Does scripture gives credence that not everyone has the means to know GOD and His grace, like Calvinists teach?"
Now you've made it a call out thread.
If you took the time to go through every post in thread and eliminate every unnecessary comment to the topic, this thread would be much shorter (as would most other threads as well).

TOL even has a forum for threads where people can get a little more down and dirty (so to speak). The Back Alley.
Personally, I think it would be great if all call out threads were moved to there.

But this ain't my site, and is not run by my rules.
As reminder, everyone that joins has to agree with the TOL rules.
And here is part of the rules everyone agreed to when they joined:

You do not have the right to NOT be offended on these forums. We have a diverse group of members and we do not control the things they post (within reason) including things that might offend you.

TOL also states upfront that it is biased, and makes no apology for it.

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