Recreation Marijuana within a Christian Worldview

drbrumley

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Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
 

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Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

...They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

Of course drbrumley is taking Lewis' quote out of context, saying in so many words that the great Christian philosopher C.S. Lewis was some kind of anarchist who didn't want righteous laws imposed on a sinful man.

How about a quote from Lewis that fits this topic?

“When a man is getting better he understands more and more clearly the evil that is still left in him. When a man is getting worse he understands his own badness less and less. A moderately bad man knows he is not very good: a thoroughly bad man thinks he is all right. This is common sense, really. You understand sleep when you are awake, not while you are sleeping. You can see mistakes in arithmetic when your mind is working properly: while you are making them you cannot see them. You can understand the nature of drunkenness when you are sober, not when you are drunk. Good people know about both good and evil: bad people do not know about either.” — from Mere Christainity
 

drbrumley

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...They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

Of course drbrumley is taking Lewis' quote out of context, saying in so many words that the great Christian philosopher C.S. Lewis was some kind of anarchist who didn't want righteous laws imposed on a sinful man.

Very good my busybody friend. It isn't taken out of context. You have to explain it away. His quote actually fits you perfectly. The only thing correct is he wasn't an anarchist. But you don't even know what the term means so.....


...How about a quote from Lewis that fits this topic?

“When a man is getting better he understands more and more clearly the evil that is still left in him. When a man is getting worse he understands his own badness less and less. A moderately bad man knows he is not very good: a thoroughly bad man thinks he is all right. This is common sense, really. You understand sleep when you are awake, not while you are sleeping. You can see mistakes in arithmetic when your mind is working properly: while you are making them you cannot see them. You can understand the nature of drunkenness when you are sober, not when you are drunk. Good people know about both good and evil: bad people do not know about either.” — from Mere Christainity

And he is correct......now all you have to do Mr Busybody is tell everyone here how this relates to the topic.
 

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Very good my busybody friend. It isn't taken out of context. You have to explain it away. His quote actually fits you perfectly. The only thing correct is he wasn't an anarchist. But you don't even know what the term means so.....

And he is correct......now all you have to do Mr Busybody is tell everyone here how this relates to the topic.

How about the next time you copy and paste words from one of your Libertarian websites that you give it's author credit?

And yes, loving your neighbor as you'd love yourself (telling him that there's a better way than getting high on dope) just reeks of "busybodying" doesn't it drb?
 

drbrumley

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How about the next time you copy and paste words from one of your Libertarian websites that you give it's author credit?

LOL!!!I didn't get it from a libertarian website and I knew you would check that quote since it illustrates you perfectly. So yes, it was a test.

And yes, loving your neighbor as you'd love yourself (telling him that there's a better way than getting high on dope) just reeks of "busybodying" doesn't it drb?

I agree one should tell a person there is a better way. But that isn't what you do. As Mr. Lewis bluntly puts it in your case and your quoting of him,
They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult.
Take my advice...point him to the gospel and get out of the way.
 

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
How about the next time you copy and paste words from one of your Libertarian websites that you give it's author credit?

LOL!!!I didn't get it from a libertarian website and I knew you would check that quote since it illustrates you perfectly. So yes, it was a test.

Plagiarism:
the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.


Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
And yes, loving your neighbor as you'd love yourself (telling him that there's a better way than getting high on dope) just reeks of "busybodying" doesn't it drb?

I agree one should tell a person there is a better way...

But in the mind of a Christian Libertarian* such as yourself, there shouldn't be laws that prohibit recreational drug use, homosexuality, incest, bestiality, abortion, necrophilia, all kinds of pornography, prostitution and suicide (if I forgot anything, please add it in your response).

*The term "Christian Libertarian" is an oxymoron, as you can't be a follower of Christ and a "It's MY body and I'll do with it as I damn well please!" Libertarian.

If you wish to debate me on that subject, let's get started.
 

theophilus

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Even though McDonalds is more harmful on the human body than marijuana?
Also I've italicized and made RED the text that I find interesting for you to use.
Marijuana is made by God, from seed to bud it is natural and un-tainted my man until use.

And if you can utilize this for God's glory then more power to you.

Although I see your point, I would greatly argue it.
Most people who are "evangelized" are not intending to be evangelized.
My wife is a a bartender, and also a Christian.
I met her because my tattoo shop shared a parking lot with the bar she worked at, she was not a Christian when I met her. Our meeting took place at that bar, where I had something "she wanted" but didn't know what it was until we discussed my faith in Jesus.

Should I have not accepted her invite to visit her at the bar for a meal because I'm too Godly to step inside a place full of "sinners?"
Absolutely not.

Did I mention/claim that?

When you put a cap on what God can do in ANY environment you are missing the chance to be a light in a dark culture. Heaven becomes less crowded when we take an approach such as this.

Precisely, which is why we are called to bring our light - that is the spirit inside of us- into places that are dark.

I don't put a "cap" on the workings of God. I "preach" caution. People who do not know God have a penchant for judging Him by the way His children act. Would you not agree?
 

DavidK

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Interesting choice in words. "buzzed" is what we call drinking before you're drunk, which most people feel after a very small amount of alcohol. So then, is being "buzzed" on alcohol wrong?
Also, I would argue that it is possible to smoke/use marijuana and not get silly.

This isn't a topic where I can speak from experience, so don't read to much into the use of my words. This is not a language in which I'm at all fluent.

It's possible to drink alcohol at a rate which the body eliminates it before it affects the drinker, correct? The whole point, though, of smoking marijuana is to feel its effects. People can truly drink alcohol for it's taste, but not so for marijuana.

If scripture admonishes us not to be intoxicated, wouldn't that include being "buzzed"? Is a little sin not sin because it is little?

Absolutely! Which is why doing something in a "responsible" manner is the key term when discussing any topic such as this.

What level of giving up self control is "responsible"? If we're talking the difference between "buzzed" and "drunk", what makes the former "responsible" and the latter not? Doesn't giving up 20% of your self control just set you up to slide into giving up 100% of your self control?
 

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If scripture admonishes us not to be intoxicated, wouldn't that include being "buzzed"? Is a little sin not sin because it is little?


Ad's like this run frequently on tv here in WA State where dopers are out on the roads in abundance since the State legalized marijuana.

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http://buzzeddriving.adcouncil.org/img/sharelogo.jpg
 

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Ad's like this run frequently on tv here in WA State where dopers are out on the roads in abundance since the State legalized marijuana.

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http://buzzeddriving.adcouncil.org/img/sharelogo.jpg

Here in Michigan, where it is technically still illegal, a man high on marijuana, driving a rental car rented by his girlfriend, slammed into the side of my car while my wife was driving. My two kids were in the backseat. A friend was in the passenger seat and her kid was in the back as well.

My wife ended up with a broken pelvis, pneumothorax, dislocated clavicle, and one side of her lower lip permanently numb. Our friend was in an induced coma for a couple of weeks while the swelling on her brain went down. The kids only suffered minor cuts from flying glass. I'm told the rescue workers were teary-eyed from relief after seeing there were kids in the car and then finding they were unharmed.

Both women have made close to a full recovery after hospital stays and lengthy physical therapy. My wife still doesn't have feeling on that side of her lip, and her clavical is not expected to ever go back into place.

I don't share as evidence of anything. Just to share.

One very positive thing we gained from the event was a sense of the love that can be expressed through the body of Christ.
 

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Ad's like this run frequently on tv here in WA State where dopers are out on the roads in abundance since the State legalized marijuana.

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http://buzzeddriving.adcouncil.org/img/sharelogo.jpg

That's a bunch of nonsense propaganda as well.

Police rarely arrest someone under the influence of marijuana driving, especially city police who tend to only arrest people if it's worth the time and justice.

I delivered pizza for over a year as a side job, and was high throughout the entirety of it :chuckle:
It made me more alert, and at the same time calm on the road. Of course, a lot of people aren't going to understand that because they don't understand weed.
The one's sidelined on the road are due to drunk drivers or someone texting.

I think what people have done is try to connect marijuana to accidents where there is no connection to be made- they were just incidentally high at the time.
 

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Here in Michigan, where it is technically still illegal, a man high on marijuana, driving a rental car rented by his girlfriend, slammed into the side of my car while my wife was driving. My two kids were in the backseat. A friend was in the passenger seat and her kid was in the back as well.

My wife ended up with a broken pelvis, pneumothorax, dislocated clavicle, and one side of her lower lip permanently numb. Our friend was in an induced coma for a couple of weeks while the swelling on her brain went down. The kids only suffered minor cuts from flying glass. I'm told the rescue workers were teary-eyed from relief after seeing there were kids in the car and then finding they were unharmed.

Both women have made close to a full recovery after hospital stays and lengthy physical therapy. My wife still doesn't have feeling on that side of her lip, and her clavical is not expected to ever go back into place...


David: Let me introduce you to the kind of people (and I use the word "people" loosely when referring to dopers) that have no respect for the safety of your wife, your children or anyone else out on the road:

I delivered pizza for over a year as a side job, and was high throughout the entirety of it :chuckle:
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David: Let me introduce you to the kind of people (and I use the word "people" loosely when referring to dopers) that have no respect for the safety of your wife, your children or anyone else out on the road:

So now you are now stating that I am a danger to someone's family based on your stupid propaganda?
How about people sitting in jail for committing no real crime on account of morons like yourself who strive to be as outrageously ignorant as they can possibly be?

You also just referred to someone who smokes weed as a subhuman, and you keep calling me a 'doper' even though I have clearly stated that I no longer smoke.

Learn to shut that huge mouth of yours.
 

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1 Corinthians 6:19-20 New International Version (NIV)

19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
 

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you stating that you drove stoned (and laughed about it).

I've known plenty of people who smoke, and ultimately drive while high, and none of them have ever gotten into an accident in the fifteen years of doing so. Texting is more dangerous than driving with a marijuana buzz.

I find it hilarious that those as yourself actually aim to be ignorant, and then sell your propaganda to people. It reminds me of why anyone would ever drink the kool aid at a candle convention :rolleyes:

Yes, I'm sorry that I didn't make myself clearer in my earlier post.

Of what, that you're a moron?
You made that very clear, and polish it to a blinding shine with every post you make.
 
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