oatmeal
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No you cannot, the context is our attitude our believing not our eternal life salvation.
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No you cannot, the context is our attitude our believing not our eternal life salvation.
oatmeal
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I do not fear God, I love God
What is the first and great commandment?
a. Thou shalt fear God so that you can be obedient
b. Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all of you are and ever become
Love is the greatest motivator and God is love
God is what?
a. fear
b. love
oatmeal
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I have eternal life and no one one in this age of grace,( not the gospels), who has it will ever lose it.
It is eternal life, not life until someone screws it up for me.
I John 5:13
It is impossible for anyone or anything to snatch us our of the Father's hand and Jesus Christ's hand
oatmeal
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Every believer in this age of grace has the righteousness of God
II Corinthians 5:21
How much they exercise it, how much they use it, is a different matter.
Paul used it greatly
oatmeal
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Read it again Brighty
Where does that passage mention losing the gift of salvation/eternal life?
Is falling away a sin?
Did Jesus Christ die for all your sins or not?
I said
What Jesus accomplished was a new covenant(Testament)
[2Co 3:14
14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the [veil] is taken away in Christ.
[Heb 9:16
16 For where there [is] a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament [is] in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
I said
You seem to have a way to much imagination in there.
[1Co 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
oatmeal
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You were born again of incorruptible seed by the word of God which lives and abides forever.
Can you change the DNA your earthly parents gave you?
Well, can you change the spiritual DNA that your Heavenly Father gave you?
I said
Do you know the Holy Spirit? He is the only guarantee of salvation in the whole bible.
[2Co 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing [is] God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
And the Holy Spirit only quotes scripture.
[Jhn 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
I said
To be in Christ one must be in the revelations of Jesus Christ. And one is not even Christ's until they have crucified all their emotions.
[Gal 5:24
24 And those [who are] Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
I said
I'm sorry for you. That you do not know that one can fall from grace, be disqualified, or even fall short of salvation.
It is possible to walk away from the Heavenly Father just as from earthly parents.
Read Hebrews 6:4-8 again. Who are those who were once enlightened? Who are those who have tasted the good Word? Who are those who it is impossible to renew again to repentance for they would again crucify the Son of God?
I said
someone has lied to you. Eternal life is the goal, not the first step. One must go through the milk understanding then go through the meat understanding then come to the revelations of Jesus Christ. I'm sharing the revelations of Jesus Christ.
I said
The only one who can rightly divide the Word is the Holy Spirit. You don't seem to rely on the Holy Spirit that only quotes verses. You seem to rely on your own opinion.
[Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
oatmeal
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There are two parts to consider.
Our original salvation, the gift
and what we do with it to be in Christ, that is, to be in fellowship with believers, God and his son. I John 1:3
The Galatians were saved by not walking in grace, they were not walking by the spirit but by the flesh
They were not in Christ in their minds, hearts and lifestyle, they were still carnal in their thinking.
Though they had confessed with their mouth the lord Jesus and believed in their hearts that God had raised them from the dead, they had not crucified the flesh, but they were saved.
They were members of the body of Christ, they were in Christ in that regard, but their minds, hearts where not there
oatmeal
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Have you read II Timothy 2:15?
or I Timothy 4:13
Nothing about the spirit in either of those verses.
Sure the spirit of God can help us along, but without us reading and using our brains to learn, why should God bother?
Give yourself to reading
oatmeal
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I John 5:13 Sorry, I have the gift of eternal life and I have the witness of that in me. I John 5:10
If you had read those verses, you would have known now that you have the gift of eternal life now.
How long did you have to live to become your parents child? Did you have to perfect yourself to become a child of your parents? How many hoops did you have to go through before you acquired their DNA?
Whose child were you before you perfected yourself?
Romans 5:8
God did not wait til we were perfect for Jesus to die for our sins.
It is impossible for us to save ourselves without God's intervention.
Beloved, now are we the sons of God. I John 3:1-3