Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Your posts are beginning to tell a lot about you Al:
What causes homosexual desire?
2. Family abnormality, including the following:
•a dominant, possessive, or rejecting mother
•an absent, distant, or rejecting father
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3393262&postcount=17
You don't know and I don't know aCW.
Science seems to suspect at least a strong genetic element is certainly involved supported by many studies and statistics, but no actual proof as yet...
Oh but we do know Al, and I've shown it through the personal testimonies of numerous ex homosexuals throughout this 3 part thread and again in
Part 3's most important post showing what kind of a monster a child who has been molested can turn out to be:
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4064685&postcount=2473
Being sexually molested as a child gives that child an extremely warped outlook towards human sexuality and because of that he or she often times is sexually attracted to those of the same gender.
But let's talk about other aspects of what causes homosexual desires:
•an absent, distant, or rejecting father.
While I'm not a huge fan of studies, this one confirms what the link above talking about what causes homosexual desires stated.
Childhood experiences of homosexual men
FATHERS AND SONS
Childhood experiences recalled
In 1962 members Society of Medical Psychoanalysts lead by Irving Bieber published the results of a comprehensive study of 106 male homosexuals and 100 heterosexuals controls, both groups drawn from the patients in psychoanalysis clinics. This was not a one shot questionnaire, but one of the most in depth and authoritative studies of its kind ever done. The study involved over seventy therapists, 10 years of work, multiple evaluations and follows-ups. The questionnaires were filled out by the analysts with information gained in hours of patient sessions. The report provided numerous case histories and sought in every case to answer the question: Why did this man become homosexual? The report also included a careful analysis of why some men in the control group with apparently similar backgrounds did not become homosexual. Since 27% of the homosexual men had in the course of analysis become heterosexual, the differences between the 27% and those who did not become heterosexual were also analyzed.
Bieber, et al., found a pattern of detached and/or hostile-detached fathers. They concluded that: "Profound interpersonal disturbance is unremitting in the homosexual father-son relationship. Not one of the fathers (of homosexual sons)... could be regarded as reasonably 'normal' parents'."(Bieber 1962, p.114)...
Bieber found that the fathers of the homosexual patients were not just lazy or too-busy; these detached fathers exhibited severe male-rivalry problems which they took out on their sons. Not one of these detached fathers favored the patient over his brothers or sisters. Some of the relationships were totally barren, but in a larger number of cases the fathers actively rejected, minimized or otherwise crushed their sons' masculinity.
These boys not only feared their fathers, they hated them for abandoning them to their mothers smothering influences.
Bieber found 13 cases where the fathers were not detached. In 6 of these the fathers spent time with the son, but also showed contempt for him or humiliated him. In 4 cases the fathers were hostile, and in 3 cases overprotective. In addition, none of these 13 had a normal relationship with their mothers. In not one case was the not-detached father also classified as warmly related. However even a negative father influence may make of difference since 7 of these 13 became heterosexual during therapy...
However, a number of studies have confirmed the findings of Bieber. Bene (1965)
found that male homosexuals were hostile toward their fathers and saw their fathers as weak. Chang and Block (1960) concluded that homosexual males were more likely than the controls to "disidentify with their fathers."...
Snortum, et al., conducted tests on 46 males being evaluated for separation from the military because of homosexual incidents and 89 controls. Their conclusion: "It appears that the family dynamics for homosexual patients described by Bieber, et al. were confirmed in toto." (Snortum, 1969)
Thompson, et al.,(1973) queried 127 white homosexual males and 123 matched heterosexual controls
and found that the homosexuals were more likely to report that they spent very little time with their fathers. The authors concluded that weak and/or hostile fathers played a prominent role in the etiology of homosexuality.
A study by Stephan, et al., compared 88 activist male homosexuals with 105 male heterosexuals and found that:
"On no variable did the homosexuals evaluate their fathers favorably." Stephan concluded:
The majority of the homosexuals did not appear to have positive male models to identify with as children, and as a consequences they may have identified with females. This process was probably facilitated by the fact that normative masculine role behavior was not encouraged strongly by either parent. (Stephan, 1973)
In a 1979 article Irving and Toby Bieber reported that in their evaluations of over 1,000 male homosexuals, they did not find one "whose father openly loved and respected him." (Bieber, 1979)
Other studies reported similar findings. Sherman (1985) found that homosexual sons "perceived their relationship with their fathers as distant, negative, and conflicted." Saghir and Robins conducted extensive interviews with 86 homosexual men and 35 single heterosexual controls, the results of which they published in a book length report Male and Female Homosexuality: A Comprehensive Investigation (1973).Men with a history of psychiatric problems or incarceration were eliminated from the sample. According to their report:
In over one-half of the homosexuals the parental home during their childhood is marked by intense discord and fighting. The role of the father at home seems to be conspicuous by its absence.
In a surprising 84% of the homosexuals, the father is described as indifferent and uninvolved at home, particularly with the homosexual son, and in a similar proportion the homosexuals describe their childhood relationship with their fathers as unsatisfactory. (Saghir, p.152)...
Read more:
http://www.fathersforlife.org/dale/childhood_of_homosexual_men_2.htm
I hope that this article gives you and Art Brain a better understanding of your childhood and why you are the people you are today.
More importantly I hope others see how important the role of a loving dad plays inside the home.
