ECT Why should we belive your sect?? Your fruits are rotten my friend.

[God's Truth]

The religious, denominational system is courtesy of the mystery of iniquity that doth allready work (2 Thessalonians 2:7 KJV). These are in pulpits all over the world (2 Corinthians 11:13-15 KJV). They preach another jesus and an other gospel than that which Paul preached. They tell people they must DO something to be saved and have more requirements for church membership than God requires for membership in the Body of Christ!

Jesus is the one who says we must do something.

 

[genuineoriginal]

The rotten fruit of those who separate the Body of Christ reeks more every day. Today is an especially good example as if there were any doubt.

A better example of rotten fruit is the "Church" of Rome that left the Body of Christ to follow Constantine and Augustine in 325 CE.

 

[genuineoriginal]

I am Catholic and a sinner and believe many Protestants will go to heaven in spite of their incomplete doctrine.

I am not a Protestant, but believe many Catholics will burn in the lake of fire because of their false doctrines.

 

[meshak]

Unlike you I don't tell others that they don't know Christ, only that there are consequences for false doctrines. I use Jesus' Words to judge your actions and others who separate the Body of Christ and I will not accept any false interpretations of this Scripture. As much as I love you as a unique person created by God I love Christ more.

How can you say you know Jesus when you flat out disobey or disregard Jesus' word?

And top of that, with your disobedient spirit, you try to correct and lecture the world.

 

[heir]

Very true observation. This is called exclusivism and is one of the reasons of the moral state of America. I am Catholic and a sinner and believe many Protestants will go to heaven in spite of their incomplete doctrine.

There is a gospel that is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth. If there's never been a moment when you trusted the Lord believing IT as all sufficient to save you, then no "going to heaven" (as they say). The righteousness of God is the requirement. Do you have it upon you?

 

[heir]

Unlike you I don't tell others that they don't know Christ, only that there are consequences for false doctrines. I use Jesus' Words to judge your actions and others who separate the Body of Christ and I will not accept any false interpretations of this Scripture. As much as I love you as a unique person created by God I love Christ more.

The words of their testimony is a great indicator about whether or not a person "knows Christ". Meshak is not because she rejects what the Lord Jesus Christ did in her place (2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV). She hates the testimony of our Lord and of His prisoner Paul (2 Timothy 1:8-10 KJV).

 

[Sancocho]

The religious, denominational system is courtesy of the mystery of iniquity that doth allready work (2 Thessalonians 2:7 KJV). These are in pulpits all over the world (2 Corinthians 11:13-15 KJV). They preach another jesus and an other gospel than that which Paul preached. They tell people they must DO something to be saved and have more requirements for church membership than God requires for membership in the Body of Christ!

With all due respect, if I understand correctly you are saying the denominational system is demonic?

I sincerely hope that isn't the case because then any Scripture you might quote was created by said, which therefore undermines your argument. Therefore, if you maintain the position that the denominational system was not ordained by God you certainly can't use any Bibles derived from said as it would be tainted.

 

[heir]

With all due respect, if I understand correctly you are saying the denominational system is demonic?

What we see out there in the visible church is of the devil, yes (2 Corinthians 13-15 KJV)!

I sincerely hope that isn't the case because then any Scripture you might quote was created by said, which therefore undermines your argument. Therefore, if you maintain the position that the denominational system was not ordained by God you certainly can't use any Bibles derived from said as it would be tainted.

The religious, denominational system is iniquity (2 Timothy 2:19 KJV). The church, the Body of Christ is a spiritual organism not a religious organization.

Furthermore, the word of God is found in a King James Bible and is the pure and preserved words of the Lord (Psalms 12:6-7 KV). It is all scripture and it is for: (2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV). All others are perversions/corrupted (2 Corinthians 2:17 KJV).

 

[Sancocho]

What we see out there in the visible church is of the devil, yes (2 Corinthians 13-15 KJV)!

The religious, denominational system is iniquity (2 Timothy 2:19 KJV). The church, the Body of Christ is a spiritual organism not a religious organization.

Furthermore, the word of God is found in a King James Bible and is the pure and preserved words of the Lord (Psalms 12:6-7 KV). It is all scripture and it is for: (2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV). All others are perversions/corrupted (2 Corinthians 2:17 KJV).

The King James Bible was written by the Church of England, a denomination, and was derived from the Catholic Bible, another denomination.

Therefore, claiming all denominations have fallen away from the Word undermines your source of Scripture, thus nullifying any references to Scripture that support your argument. Thus, if you want to claim all denominations have fallen away you will have to do so without any Bible created by said denominations but your word only.

On the other hand, if you want to claim that the Word was intact up until the Church of England you will have to accept their theology up to the point that they were fallen away, such as veneration of the Virgin Mary.

An argument cannot stand if it pretends to disqualify a source on which it depends.

 

[heir]

The King James Bible was written by the Church of England, a denomination, and was derived from the Catholic Bible, another denomination.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God 2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV), period.

Therefore, claiming all denominations have fallen away from the Word undermines your source of Scripture, thus nullifying any references to Scripture that support your argument. Thus, if you want to claim all denominations have fallen away you will have to do so without any Bible created by said denominations but your word only.

The Catholic church is a harlot and absolutely of the devil (2 Corinthians 11;13-15 KJV). We don't conform to the religious world, but are transformed by the renewing of our mind (Romans 12:2 KJV).

An argument cannot stand if it pretends to disqualify a source on which it depends.

I reject the notion that the word of God came from the Catholic church as the word is settled in heaven (Psalms 119:89 KJV).

Your attempt to silence the word of God from going forth here is noted. talk about rotten fruit. sssss

 

[Sancocho]

All scripture is given by inspiration of God 2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV), period.
The Catholic church is a harlot and absolutely of the devil (2 Corinthians 11;13-15 KJV). We don't conform to the religious world, but are transformed by the renewing of our mind (Romans 12:2 KJV).

I reject the notion that the word of God came from the Catholic church as the word is settled in heaven (Psalms 119:89 KJV).

Your attempt to silence the word of God from going forth here is noted. talk about rotten fruit. sssss

You Bible came from the Catholic Church. You cannot re-write history, sorry.

 

[whitestone]

sancocho,,,have you read 1Clement,do you know who he is/was?

 

[Sancocho]

Logic 101

Logic 101

In various threads many people make arguments that actually undermine their own argument, thus nullifying their claim. They do this repeatedly and when challenged claim anyone who disagrees does not know God, etc.

For example, the claim that all churches have fallen away is a common one. Fair enough. However, in order to substantiate this claim one has to accept the doctrine of the denomination up until the point that it had fallen away. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION. This has to do with accepting any sources that the denomination may have produced, such as a Bible.

For example, if one wants to use the King James Version of the Bible to quote Scripture then one has to accept the accompanying theology that was associated with the creation of this version of the Bible UP UNTIL THE POINT THE DENOMINATION WAS SUPPOSEDLY CORRUPTED. This is logic 101. Logic is important because if we didn't use it computer programming wouldn't exist and none of us would be chatting here now. Peace.

 

[God's Truth]

The King James Bible was written by the Church of England, a denomination, and was derived from the Catholic Bible, another denomination.

Therefore, claiming all denominations have fallen away from the Word undermines your source of Scripture, thus nullifying any references to Scripture that support your argument. Thus, if you want to claim all denominations have fallen away you will have to do so without any Bible created by said denominations but your word only.

On the other hand, if you want to claim that the Word was intact up until the Church of England you will have to accept their theology up to the point that they were fallen away, such as veneration of the Virgin Mary.

An argument cannot stand if it pretends to disqualify a source on which it depends.

Just because someone translates the original scripture, it does not mean they are saved or that they even understand the Word of God. God gives understanding to those who obey and humble themselves. See John 14:21, and Luke 10:21.

Many think the Catholics determined what books were to be included in the Bible, because they over the centuries publicly listed the books that they used. There were canons put together and used by people even before the Catholics. Different people gave personal statements about the books, but they were only commenting on the books and letters that the first Christians used from the beginning. They had only acknowledged those books early Christian communities already accepted as scripture.

The Catholic denominations started to introduce heresies in approximately 310 A.D. The Roman Catholic Church, which taught things contrary to the Bible, began with the prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross. The Catholics continued to bring in many false teachings.

Official canonization of the New Testament scriptures came about because of heresies Gnostics and other sects spread. The first Christians accepted as scripture New Testament teachings by letter and books right from the beginning.

The New Testament teachings were by letter and books right from the beginning. In 1 Timothy 5:18 Paul joins a New Testament scripture (Luke 10:7) to an Old Testament scripture (Deuteronomy 25:4) and calls them both scripture. In addition, we can see in 2 Peter 3:15-16 Peter recognizes what Paul writes as scripture.

2 Peter 3:15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Again, the believers from the beginning used these books and letters from the start. That is what determined these books as scripture.

 

[Sancocho]

Just because someone translates the original scripture, it does not mean they are saved or that they even understand the Word of God. God gives understanding to those who obey and humble themselves. See John 14:21, and Luke 10:21.

Many think the Catholics determined what books were to be included in the Bible, because they over the centuries publicly listed the books that they used. There were canons put together and used by people even before the Catholics. Different people gave personal statements about the books, but they were only commenting on the books and letters that the first Christians used from the beginning. They had only acknowledged those books early Christian communities already accepted as scripture.

The Catholic denominations started to introduce heresies in approximately 310 A.D. The Roman Catholic Church, which taught things contrary to the Bible, began with the prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross. The Catholics continued to bring in many false teachings.

Official canonization of the New Testament scriptures came about because of heresies Gnostics and other sects spread. The first Christians accepted as scripture New Testament teachings by letter and books right from the beginning.

The New Testament teachings were by letter and books right from the beginning. In 1 Timothy 5:18 Paul joins a New Testament scripture (Luke 10:7) to an Old Testament scripture (Deuteronomy 25:4) and calls them both scripture. In addition, we can see in 2 Peter 3:15-16 Peter recognizes what Paul writes as scripture.

2 Peter 3:15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Again, the believers from the beginning used these books and letters from the start. That is what determined these books as scripture.

Your logic defeats itself I'm afraid.

 

[God's Truth]

Your logic defeats itself I'm afraid.

The Catholic denomination is apostate from God's Word.

The Catholic denomination is a haunt for demons.

 

[whitestone]

Ok then,,if you are one to bare only logic to the matter in Luke's writings "Gospel of Luke" and "Acts of the Apostles"(or Acts) Luke states(I'll begin in Acts) Acts 1:1 KJV "former treaties",,so we see that the letter to Theophilus referred to as Acts by us is the second part of a two part letter written to Theophilus.

Then back to the beginning of the two letters in Luke 1:2 KJV the same Luke makes this statement "even as they delivered them unto us,which from the beginning were eyewitnesses,and ministers of the word", then in verse 3 he(Luke) states that he also was about to "write in order" these things that "ARE MOST SURLY BELIEVED AMONG US"(Luke 1:1 KJV) ,,,,

Then so logically there is an issue that must be reasoned through in all of our minds,,that is "all scripture is given through the Holy spirit" as we know. But who did Luke state to Theophilus he received the things he was about to write from the Holy spirit or the eyewitnesses?

 

[ttruscott]

...

... reference multitudes of Scripture to convince us that simple language is complicated.

...

Simple language is not complicated?

In Matt 13:36 Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”
37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the PEOPLE of the kingdom. The weeds are the PEOPLE of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. we have in plain writing two groups of people being sown (not created but moved) into the world after being separated into good and evil.

Do you admit to the plain reading of this verse? Especially since it follows the plain reading of The Wisdom of Solomon 8:20 'As a child, I was born to excellence and a noble soul fell to my lot;' or rather, 'I myself was noble, and I entered into an unblemished body ......'

(JB) - 'I was a boy of happy disposition. I had received a good soul as my lot, or that, being good, I had entered an undefiled body.'

Peace, Ted

 

[StanJ]

It seems like anyone and everyone can create a Christian denomination anymore. Plethoras of threads with individual posts that reference multitudes of Scripture to convince us that simple language is complicated. When challenged as to the origin of such a fabricated and illogic interpretations one finds out more often that not that the author belongs to no denomination or that to one that has sowed nothing but exclusivism.

My advice to my fellow worshipers of the man and God Christ is to look at their fruits. For many of the "non-denominationers" their fruit is the attempted destruction of Christ's Body while the other party's putridity reeks from miles away.

Rather, look at what was important to Christ, like innocent human life, children and loving others without embracing their sins and decide for yourself. Remember, words can mislead but fruits never can.

I agree, He was very much a socialist in the truest sense of the word.