What were Jesus' appearances to Peter and to James?

rako

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1 Cor. 15 says:
6. he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
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7. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
Cephas is Aramaic, meaning Petros in Greek, that is, Peter.

To Peter
1. The appearance to Peter was at the tomb, where Jesus appeared to the women
2. It was at another place in Jerusalem,
3. It was at the sea in Galilee (See the noncanonical Gospel of Peter, 1st to 2nd century AD)

To James
1. Jesus appeared to James before He appeared to the apostles (See the noncanonical Gospel of the Hebrews, 1st to 2nd century AD)
2. The appearance to James was after the appearance to the apostles
 

rako

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1. Was the appearance to Peter at the tomb with the women?

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The gospels never mention Peter having a vision at the tomb. Two gospels say that the women saw both Jesus and angels at the tomb, but this was either before the apostles were brought (Matthew) or after Peter left (Luke). The gospels only say about Peter's findings at the tomb that he found it empty, except for the clothes.

Further: if Peter had seen Jesus at the tomb, then the travelers going to Emmaus should have mentioned this, since they heard and reported the women's vision there.(Luke 24)
 

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There are true particles in otherwise false Scriptures. The truth is Sacred Tradition, together with Sacred Scripture, both.
 

rako

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2. Did Peter see Jesus elsewhere around Jerusalem?
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This appears to be the only version fully compatible with the canonical story.

Under the gospel's account, Jesus would have appeared to Peter between the time when the women saw Him at the tomb and the time that the apostles announced that Simon saw Him, that night to the Emmaus travelers. (Luke 24)

All other appearances narrated for that day for Jesus are around Jerusalem - the tomb's area, the apostles' house that night, and the Emmaus road, where he comes from the direction of Jerusalem.
Granted, Matthew and Mark do not specify that the latter two occurred in Jerusalem.

Luke and John both have Peter being at the tomb in the morning and list all those appearances in Jerusalem. So Peter could not have gone more than a day's walk from Jerusalem, which would preclude the Sea of Tiberias, far more than 30 miles away (over 30 hours' walk). And the news that the apostles announced to the two travelers that Peter saw Jesus could not have come from more than a day's walk from Jerusalem. Since the travelers on the road to Emmaus didn't see Peter, he probably didn't go down that road either.

So following these accounts, the appearance to Peter must have been either on the roads or open places of Jerusalem, or a house where he was staying. The latter option is conceivable, because the gospel account says that after he left the tomb, he "went to himself", a Greek expression to say that he went home, which could mean where he was staying. Besides, the gospels suggest that the apostles were generally staying indoors for fear of the rest of the Jewish community.

The way that Paul tells it, it sounds like this would have been a separate appearance to Peter when the rest of the apostles weren't around.

Further, this appearance must have been pretty short, because it's only in John 21 by the sea that Jesus and Peter actually have their conversation where they restore their trust after Peter denied Jesus thrice. With a meeting, Peter would have already asserted his faith.
 

rako

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3. Was this first appearance to Peter at the Sea of Galilee?

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Tiberias, last century

This is the only appearance to Peter narrated, and it's a very important one. The Gospel of Peter is apocryphal and narrates it as the first appearance. Some Protestant scholars, especially starting with German ones in the 19th century, propose this as the "original" account of that first appearance.

One obstacle to the theory at first glance is that Luke says that the 11 apostles were gathered and saw Jesus in Jerusalem that night, which implies Peter must have been there (the 12 minus Judas), not in Galilee. However, we know that "the eleven" and "the twelve" only refers to the collective and not to a precise count, because Thomas was not there either that first night, (as per John 20) and he was one of the 11.

The real main obstacle this theory faces is that it does strongly conflict with the canonical gospel account for the reasons in the last post.

For example, a reason in favor of the third version is that when John 20:10 says that Peter returned to his own, it could mean that Peter went home to Galilee. This would explain why in John 21 Peter and Thomas were fishing even though in Luke's account Jesus told those gathered on Day one at the house in Jerusalem to wait in Jerusalem. Of course, it is too much of a stretch to say that Peter arrived home on Day 1 of the resurrection if that morning he was at the tomb as per John and Luke. So to except this third theory, you are forced to think that the account of Peter being at the tomb is an invention.

Another contradiction is that in Luke 24, before Jesus appeared to them collectively, the apostles gathered tell the Emmaus travelers with joy that Jesus was risen and appeared to Peter, which they wouldn't know that same day if Peter was all the way in Galilee. So again you are forced to reject what Luke 24 says about this here, as if it's made up.

Indeed, this announcement by the apostles that they knew Jesus appeared to Peter does have another conflict- in Mark 16 it says that the apostles did not believe in Jesus' resurrection at that moment, until later when Jesus appeared to them. So it's true that based on Mark 16 you can argue that the announcement of the appearance to Peter in Luke 24 is invented, but to make that argument you are no longer strictly going by Luke's account.

You are really stuck arguing that Luke or his source changed the story, so that Peter would be in Jerusalem that day. one way to do this is to look at Mark 16, where the angel tells the women: "tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you."

Matthew basically says the same thing, predicting an appearance in Galilee. And Mark 16:1-8 (considered the "original" ending of Mark) and Matthew do not mention any appearances in Jerusalem, so based on Mark and Matthew alone you would imagine the appearances were just in Galilee, especially the one to Peter, as he is mentioned there.

Luke apparently edits the reference to Galilee's appearances in the words of the angel, making him say:
" remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, Saying, The Son of man must... be crucified, and the third day rise again."
Then, in Luke 24, Jesus shows up on Day 1 to the apostles and tells them to stay in Jerusalem until the Pentecost (Day 50). So if you go by Luke alone, you would imagine that there were no appearances in Galilee. Luke has apparently edited them out.

If we were not talking about "sacred scripture" but about some secular accounts of some events that took place 2000 years ago, I think people would be more open to the Germans' proposal that the gospel of Luke and John, in which Peter is at the tomb on Day 1 and thus not in Galilee, effectively rewrote the story in this way and ruled out a preceding appearance by Jesus to Peter in Galilee by the sea.
 
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