THE UK does not have a socialist government and the current administration is on the right of the political spectrum.

This Charming Manc

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OK there have been a couple of people on here lately claiming that the UK is a socialist state, and the current government are a bunch of leftists.

As far as most of brits on here a statement which is "complete poppycock" and a sign of mental delusion.

So as not to derail other threads if you genuinely believe that I invite you make your case here .....

Why do you think the UK is a socialist state?
 

Hilltrot

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"the current administration is on the right of the political spectrum"

The British government has successfully banned abortion in England!

Praise God!

I hope Manc isn't pulling my leg on this.
 

Hilltrot

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"the current administration is on the right of the political spectrum"

The British has reversed itself on allowing men to take showers with girls?

This is truly good news.
 

Hilltrot

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"the current administration is on the right of the political spectrum"

The British government is repealing section 4 of the Public Order act of 1986?

You'll finally be able to start you own server in England and not have to come to an American one?
 

Hilltrot

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"the current administration is on the right of the political spectrum"

England is ending CCP virus restrictions and lockdowns since they are silly and useless? They are also issuing an apology?
 

Hilltrot

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"the current administration is on the right of the political spectrum"

You can now make fun of English parliament on tv?
 

Gary K

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OK there have been a couple of people on here lately claiming that the UK is a socialist state, and the current government are a bunch of leftists.

As far as most of brits on here a statement which is "complete poppycock" and a sign of mental delusion.

So as not to derail other threads if you genuinely believe that I invite you make your case here .....

Why do you think the UK is a socialist state?
Where's your evidence? I see nothing but a bald-faced assertion.
 

This Charming Manc

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OK seems to be you have defined right and left wing by a number of unrelated issues. Which are associated with the political right in the sates but don't always fit with the right in a wider context.
  • Abortion - level a left/right issue in the UK, you will find pro life mp's on both sides of our parliament. I am pro life lefty ( thought there are less of us ). Its been that way since 1970 (ish) whatever party is in power.
  • Gun control - Both right and lefty wing parties in the UK are strong gun control parties. The us is the only country in the world with you crazy gun laws, hardly a left/right issue
  • Transgender Rights - Its all a bit screwed up, the last conservative government flipped from its traditional position on those issues. But has become much further right wing on issues such as brexit, immigration, health service reforms, taxation and the law.
As regards COVID you are deluded if you think the lockdown isn't needed or effective in the UK,

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Current lockdown was implemented in early December, as you can see its had a drastic effect in first slowing, then stopping and now reducing the rate of infection.

As regards why I think we have a right wing government.
  • Anti Immigration
  • Low Taxation
  • Limited Public services
  • Business Focused
  • Anti European
  • Anti Third world aid
  • Pro Privatization of public services
  • For deregulation of markets
Those are all the signs of a right wing administration which can be argued one way of the other, id go along with
  • Crony Capitalism
  • Political Corruption
  • Blind Ideology
  • Racist subtexts
  • Narrow Self Interest
:)
 

Hilltrot

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Current lockdown was implemented in early December, as you can see its had a drastic effect in first slowing, then stopping and now reducing the rate of infection.
You can't even read your own charts. Did they teach literacy in England or did they just serve you Kool-Aid?
 

Hilltrot

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Anti Immigration
The left is Anti-Immigration. They are pro-slavery, pro-illegal immigration, and pro-indentured servitude immigration.
Low Taxation
Something your government currently doesn't support and so clearly is leftist.
Limited Public services
Like what? Lack of free public parking?
Business Focused
This term can mean anything and therefore means nothing.
Anti European
Sounds leftist to me.
Anti Third world aid
Since when did England give aid to other countries?
Pro Privatization of public services
You're mistaking libertarianism and conservatism.
For deregulation of markets
Ditto.
 

Hilltrot

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Gun control - Both right and lefty wing parties in the UK are strong gun control parties. The us is the only country in the world with you crazy gun laws, hardly a left/right issue
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863


We use to be the only country with a crazy constitutional republic as well.
 

This Charming Manc

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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863


We use to be the only country with a crazy constitutional republic as well.
Yeah but 300,000 Americans have been killed by other americans with guns since 911.

Brag about it all you want. Its not working.
 

This Charming Manc

Well-known member
The left is Anti-Immigration. They are pro-slavery, pro-illegal immigration, and pro-indentured servitude immigration.

Something your government currently doesn't support and so clearly is leftist.

Like what? Lack of free public parking?

This term can mean anything and therefore means nothing.

Sounds leftist to me.

Since when did England give aid to other countries?

You're mistaking libertarianism and conservatism.

Ditto.
It not my fault your either ignorant to the facts on the ground or whats right wing and left wing.
 

Hilltrot

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Yeah but 300,000 Americans have been killed by other americans with guns since 911.

Brag about it all you want. Its not working.
I see you're including suicides, liar.

Where is the rate of gun violence and fatalities the greatest? D.C. with the strictest gun laws in the U.S.

Lie all you like, it doesn't change the truth.
 
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